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Goal:
Build a very high performance per watt per size box. Handle the most demanding gaming & business/development needs and built for the real world. I live in a tropical area without air-con, so temps are a concern. Also want to be future-proof without needing upgrades anytime soon. I can get a rig now and not worry so much about the next-gen is just a few months away. The Skylake should be a much bigger architectural change anyway. I’m not in the USA, so it took a long time for the parts to get here.

Case: SG08 – the only option for small and good cooling. Not bold enough to try a SG05 with a 10” video card yet.

Mobo: ASRock H77-ITX. The enthusiast in me wanted an Asus Z77-I Deluxe & NH-C12P. But the mature side cared more about low watts and Wake On Lan. The ASRock seems more business-like. I also didn't care about wifi because I wanted a fast LAN connection with the NAS. My kids can use the wifi.

CPU: 3770S. 8 threads at 65w? Turbo to 3.8 GHz? Not bad. Guessing this is the performance / watt one can expect from a Haswell. The Haswell is too immature anyway, I can’t wait another year for a stable Haswell ITX setup. I like AMD with its heterogeneous computing, but it's just not common for the next 2-3 years.

Cooler: Samuel 17. It’s the only air cooler that CAN fit in a non Asus Z77-I Deluxe and in a SG08. Anything better than stock is good enough for non-OCing.
BTW, I saved a LOT getting a H77 & a small cooler vs. the Asus Z77-I Deluxe & NH-C12P.

GPU: Gigabyte GTX 680. I needed the extra muscle for my 2560x1440 screen.

RAM: 2x8gb plain Kingston. The most I used so far was only 8 gigs. I just never want to remove the CPU cooler to add more RAM.

OS & App drive: Crucial m4 256gb

Data Drive: WD Green – 2TB.

Optical: Panasonic UJ240 6x Blu-ray Burner . I’m FINALLY getting into Blu Ray & HD.

Big Data: Synology DS413. 4x3TB WD-REDs. Works well 24/7 and allows me to get the ITX desktop small and easy to manage. My last PC was a liquid-cooled full-tower monstrosity.

OS: Win 8 pro. I hope it gets fixed fast.

Thanks to all that helped me decide over the months. smile.gif
Edited by enewmen - 3/10/13 at 10:31am
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Looks good. What is the PSU?

Here's how to put your new rig in your sig thumb.gif
http://www.overclock.net/t/1258253/how-to-put-your-rig-in-your-sig
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CPU: 3770S. 8 threads at 65w? Turbo to 3.8 GHz? Not bad. Guessing this is the performance / watt one can expect from a Haswell. The Haswell is too immature anyway, I can’t wait another year for a stable Haswell ITX setup. I like AMD with its heterogeneous computing, but it's just not common for the next 2-3 years.

All your decisions look okay. Although myself I would now get the Samsung magic green ram, 1600MHz @ 1.35V.

Also I don't understand about 3770S just to get 65W draw, even 3770K at stock volts doesn't draw 65W. If you particularly need 8 threads, then just get cheapest i7.
http://www.behardware.com/articles/863-9/ivy-bridge-22nm-review-intel-core-i7-3770k-and-i5-3570k.html
and hang your mouse over ATX12V at the bottom of the chart to see internal/CPU power consumption rather than total system power consumption.
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Cooler: Samuel 17. It’s the only air cooler that CAN fit in a non Asus Z77-I Deluxe and in a SG08. Anything better than stock is good enough for non-OCing.
BTW, I saved a LOT getting a H77 & a small cooler vs. the Asus Z77-I Deluxe & NH-C12P.

RAM: 2x8gb plain Kingston. The most I used so far was only 8 gigs. I just never want to remove the CPU cooler to add more RAM.

Optical: Panasonic UJ240 6x Blu-ray Burner . I’m FINALLY getting into Blu Ray & HD.

Asrock boards work best with the AXP140. especially in a SG08 due to the fact that the AP181 is blowing directly onto it.

as WiSK mentioned, Samsung ram is a better choice IMO.

WHY would anyone put a ODD internally? biggrin.gif just get a USB version and call it the day biggrin.gif you don't use ODD often enough for you to waste your bootup time waiting for the drive to spin up and have bios detect it every time you turn on your machine... IF you need ODD to install something, take it out of the drawer and plug it in. install your stuff, then unplug the ODD and put it back into the drawer biggrin.gif dust does not collect and there is no wear and tear on the ODD either. unless you actually burn/rip alot of disks, but if that's the case, then you'd want a more beefy ODD(USB3 external) anyway not a slim model that you shoe horned into the SG08 biggrin.gif
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Hi all
Thanks for the comments!

@Exxon.
I'll surely put my rig in my sig after it's all put together.

@Wisk,
I didn't think about the Samsung Green RAM. It's not available where I am, so I need to check more and special order it.
[EDIT]
I found Crucial Ballistix Sport 16GB 1600Mhz (2 x 8GB) @ 1.35v. This will work well also?

The 3770S really does have 65w max TDP. Wanted 8 threads for transcoding and more future-proof.
http://ark.intel.com/products/65524/Intel-Core-i7-3770S-Processor-8M-Cache-up-to-3_90-GHz
This benchmark shows the 3770s uses half the power consumption than than 3770k and 80% more performance per watt: Lower base clock and less overclocking shows less overall performance - expected.
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i7-3770S-vs-Intel-Core-i7-3770K

@psyclum.
I thought about an external optical drive. But I just wanted to stuff one in and never think about it again. The internal drive also looks more tidy.

About the AXP140. It does look better than the Samuel 17. But I'm not 100% sure it can fit in a ASRock H77M-ITX - the CPU is still near the PCIe slot. I can't find a clear answer on the web anyplace.
Edited by enewmen - 3/11/13 at 12:17am
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About the AXP140. It does look better than the Samuel 17. But I'm not 100% sure it can fit in a ASRock H77M-ITX - the CPU is still near the PCIe slot. I can't find a clear answer on the web anyplace.

the distance of the CPU socket has not changed on Asrock board since H55 days. with that said, you should take a look at this build

it WILL be a pain in the arse to mount and you will have around 1mm of clearance between the GPU and the heatpipe of the axp140,(electrical tape on the heatpipe area close to the GPU is recommended biggrin.gif ) but it will work as long as your GPU does NOT have a backplate



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Thanks psyclum!

The link is very clear..
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if you are still worried, you can send stealthybox a PM. he has that exact build (SG08, asrock z77, axp140)
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if you are still worried, you can send stealthybox a PM. he has that exact build (SG08, asrock z77, axp140)

No, no. I'm not worried and your link was clear.
The cooler is hard to find anyplace. It's not even on the company web-site. I think it's discontinued.
I'll ask stealthybox where I can find one.
Edited by enewmen - 3/11/13 at 2:50am
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This benchmark shows the 3770s uses half the power consumption than than 3770k and 80% more performance per watt: Lower base clock and less overclocking shows less overall performance - expected.

Aha. This is what you are basing your decision on. The measurement "Significantly lower typical power consumption 52.81W vs 114.98W" is very suspicious. When I click through that site, I can't find how they actually measured this. There is just on the detail page a few lines: "Idle power consumption 75W, Peak power consumption 128.3W, Typical power consumption 114.98W". Especially the idle power consumption doesn't correspond at all to the measurement made in the site I linked you. And I own one myself, I know for a fact that my whole system barely draws 75W from the wall at idle, with pump and all. The peak power consumption is listed at 128W, that's 50W over TDP, that's some serious overvolting going on there. Those numbers for the -K are just wrong. You better look at this page http://cpuboss.com/cpu/Intel-Core-i7-3770-specs if you want to compare the -S with another i7.

Moreover, "performance per watt" is a flawed concept, based on dividing an arbitrary performance index, by power consumption measured at load. That would only be a useful number if your PC has 100% CPU load 24/7. It's not like a car which will get you from A to B with less gas used than another car. These chips are cast from exactly the same die. When set to the same clock speed they will produce exactly the same work, and choose exactly the same voltage to run at. Because turbo frequency is similar for all desktop i7 chips, if you are using the computer at low load, both will draw the same power. Only when fully loaded will one draw less power, yet take longer to complete the same task. In this way, the -S chip offers only a false economy for casual users.

Still, you might take the -S to limit your energy bill, especially if you are expecting to have all cores loaded most of the time. Or are you expecting to load the system occassionally? e.g. a complex calculation in Excel, making a zip file, encoding music, or playing one of the few games that actually loads all cores? Then I wonder if you would even notice on the utility bill the difference between i7-3770 and i7-3770S.

Lastly, I just wanted to mention that the only real way to get better "performance per watt" from these chips is to undervolt them while keeping stock clocks. But that would need a -K and Z77 board and then you probably won't save more than you spent.
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