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I believe that SLE had them all set up for intake and still maintained decent temps and over clocks.

In a small case like this, having all intake is far superior to exhaust. Radiator performance is directly affected by the delta of the air passing through them compared to coolant temp. Unlike a larger case where the internal temp is closer to ambient, small cases run hotter inside. Intake air will be 10s of degrees cooler than exhaust air and therefore is the better choice for this situation.

Also important to remember that radiators barely warm the air passing through them, so it's not like you'll be blowing hot air into the case.

Plus the fact that positive pressure will help keep dust out smile.gif
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Radiators barely warm the air passing throught them?
I beg to differ. After the air has passed throught a rad, it is almost as warm as the water self. So if your ambient is 20° C and you have a Delta T of 10° C your rad exhaust air will be around 28-29° C.



This is why it's so impirtant to have both rads as either exhaust or intake. Otherwise, you are recycling warmed up air into one of your rads.
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I will be running both my rads as intake I know that and I can tell when I am benching now the amount of heat coming out of the rad for sure.

If anyone is getting a GTX 680 with a HydroCopper block here is the best way to route tubing imo. (NOTE: you need a 8mm riser for the GPU in)

    
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Radiators barely warm the air passing throught them?
I beg to differ. After the air has passed throught a rad, it is almost as warm as the water self.

My apologies, words like "barely" and "warm" are somewhat subjective smile.gif More accurately I should say the air pumped into the case will be less than the temps of the CPU and GPU, but also of the non-water-cooled components inside the case such as caps, RAM, VRMs, chipset and the pump. In Compact Splash, a small case with good airflow, there's no worries that you are heating these components up by choosing intake. As long as they are cooled sufficiently, we can remove them from consideration. What remains then is that radiator cooling performance for CPU and GPU is unequivocally better when air intake temperature is lower. In turn this is tempered by the perhaps decreased heat transfer to the air around those chips.

The reason I made the point is perhaps cynicism because I see many people on forums stating that exhausting is always better. This regardless of case volume and throughput of fans. Not many people have experience water-cooling small cases and the dynamics are a little different than some are used to with 40-80 liter cases. Generally the arguments go that exhausting "gets rid of the hot air", but fans aren't smart, they don't remove the hot particles and leave the cold ones, they just move air. Such arguments also often presume that pulling hot air away from an active component is better than pushing cold air onto it. Of course convection depends on two things: the difference in temperature between the component and the air passing over it; and the volumetric flow rate of that air. The latter part is what makes smaller cases a different animal. Three fans are better able to force all air to flow in 15 liter space than nine fans can in a 45 liter space.

I hope you understand what I'm trying to get at. But let's do away with the theory. When we all get our cases, we can each try out whatever combination of intake and exhaust, and see the effects of each for ourselves smile.gif
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Yeah, I agree with you here. But I like throwing our theories around. Gets me learnin' and debatin'. ....so long as it doesn't turn into flame wars.
The way I see it is I would rather have the rads pull in air if they are on the floor of the case and exhausting if they atre on roof. Front and back should not matter.

My reasoning is that hot air rises. Inside the case that is not an issue, hot air will go where you push it. But outside, it will rise. So if you pull in from the top, that air should exhaust via sides and floor. Then it creates an 'aura' of warm air around the case before it rises up. So the case is bathing in an 'aura' of warmed up air. If the top is exhausting, that air goes straight up to hot air heaven and never enters the case again.

Well, you get the idea. But with most cases, we are limited by the design of the case itself so some rules have to be broken.

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Anyway ......sorry if I got the thread off track.

What about a dvd drive? Any way to fit it in that tiny box?
If not, I wouldn't mind the designers raising the case up by a couple of inches just to allow a single 5.25 bay drive.
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What? No. Not the point of this case at all. Use an external tongue.gif
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Anyway ......sorry if I got the thread off track.

What about a dvd drive? Any way to fit it in that tiny box?
If not, I wouldn't mind the designers raising the case up by a couple of inches just to allow a single 5.25 bay drive.

Le Sigh....

Too late for that, considering that there's only a week left before the chance to purchase is over. Don't see any reason for Optical drive anyway. And if you do need one, there's always inexpensive external enclosures that will work with any computer with usb ports.

Pardon me if I'm stepping on SLE's toes here, but this case was made to be as small and powerful as possible while still allowing for full custom watercooling loop. Optical drives, 3.5" drives, and full ATX PSU's were nixed from early on in the design of the "production" case. This case will be fun and challenging to build in and also make your own. It has a few shortcomings, but will still allow for a more than fully functional pc. Personally, I see optical drives going the way of the floppy within the next decade and 3.5" drives won't be too far behind them. But anyway, I find myself starting to rant! typer.gif
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eww all the rants about things anyways I was just looking into my watercooling order and I know we talked about it a bit before but if I run

EK Nickel Blocks

WITH

Mayhems blue dye

what do I use with it?

My friend is using all ek nickel and he is using a kill coil and has no problems so far so do I do that or something else?

Also if I use one of these to light up my blocks is it possible to take two and power then through one molex? like take two of the wires and put it into another so that it is a full molex instead of just one? or is one of the wires in a molex a ground or something?

EDIT: This is interesting on Dazmode site for killcoil
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DazMode Notes:

1) In light of recent controversy with watercooling additives and Nickel plating corrosion, we have sourced purest available silver wire (5 nines) to minimize potential impact of silver impurities on waterblocks nickel plating.
2) Also, note that Silver wire works only as natural biocide and does nothing to prevent corrosion processes that may occur in your loop due to presence of impurities such as Zinc and Pb in radiators solder. ROHS certified radiator's pose lower risks. Use DazMode Protector as complete solution instead.

3) Please, note that use of Silver Coil voids warranty of Koolance and EK Waterblcoks products.

Especially number 3
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If I understand correctly you won't be able to wire up the LED's like you're wanting to. Here's a diagram of the voltages going to the molex plug.

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As you can see the middle two black wires are ground. The yellow 12V and the red 5V. I suppose it would work, but one set of LED's would be less intense than the other. Hope that helps.

edit: I'm assuming you're using the GTX680 hydro copper? The block is based on the swiftech komodo full cover block. As such I would assume that it is chrome plated instead of nickel. I thought you had said you were going with the Raystorm, but I could be thinking of someone else. The Raystorm is copper unless you get the chrome edition. Either way, you wouldn't have any nickel in the system. But you might just use pt nuke just to be safe.
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