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I measure headphones and review them for a living. I've worked for a number of audio magazines and websites as a writer for audio related gear. I've consulting for a number of Hi Fi audio manufacturers including Sony and Sennheiser. I've been an Audiophile for the majority of my life and have reviewed hundreds of expensive headphones, amplifiers, speakers and sources. You must understand that Beats are made from very cheap dynamic drivers that cost less than $10 to produce, yet are sold for $300 to the consumer. The price markup is immense. Most people today just don't care about sound quality or overall price to performance value, instead opting for just "fitting in" and purchasing one of the Rapper headphones. All of them are awful, but the original and very first version of the Beats by Dre were by far the best of the series and sounded much better than people gave them credit for. Still, they were pretty bad.

Monoprice makes a set of $22 headphones that outperform all Monster Headphones to date, including the very expensive Beats Pro and Executive. There are other manufacturers like Noontec that make Beats-look a likes that actually sound great. The Zoro by Noontec is an impressive headphone for $80 and is a real best buy for that price range. Beyond that, the Skullcandy Aviator is fashioned out of very nice parts and has a really great sound that is nothing like the rest of the Skullcandy headphones. It was made by a different company but branded through Skullcandy. If I had to recommend anything for common and easily purchased locally, it would be the Skullcandy Aviator.

My recommendations would be as follows for certain price tiers. After decades of experience, reviewing and consulting for a number of Hi Fi media outlets and manufacturers, these are my top picks.

Tier 1:
$1-50


Hisoundaudio Paa1 Pro Earbuds
Monoprice DJ
Hippo Sparkle

$51-100

Noontec Zoro
Skullcandy Aviator ( sometimes I see it on sale and with a coupon for under $100 )
Grado SR80i

$101-200

Grado 225i
Phiaton MS400
Audio Technica ES7
Hisoundaudio Wooduo 2 / Popo
Used Sennheiser HD580
Vmoda M80

$201-500

Hifiman HE400 / 300
Sony MA900
Clear Tunes Customs CT-200
1964 Ears
Sennheiser HD598 / 650
Fischer Audio FA003 / Ti / 002

$501-1000

Hifiman HE500
Grado PS500
Koss ESP 950
Smeggy Thunderpants ( Modded Fostex T50RP )

$1000+

Hifiman HE-6
Audeze LCD3
Sennheiser HD800
TakeT
Stax 007 and 009
Fostex TH900

So much awesome in that post...though I'm sad my Superlux's didn't make your list in their price point (they're pretty good sad-smiley-002.gif).
     
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I recently tried convincing a friend of the same thing. Hate when people blind themselves to facts, no offense to your sister of course.

I think these people set on stuff like Alienware or Macbooks or Beats are more concerned with the image rather than the price and performance.

pretty much sums it up, they want the brand, not the quality or performance.
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Hello Overclock.net! As the title of this thread states, my 14 year old sister has her heart set on buying an AUD $250 pair of Beats Solos. While I'm no audiophile, I can definitely appreciate the quality of sound my Titanium HD and ATH AD 700 can produce, and would hate to see my sister buy such an expensive pair of headphones when I know there are far better options. She listens almost exclusively to pop, so I don't think the bass-heavy Beats would give her good sound quality. The trouble is, my (rather blunt) argument of 'don't get them, they're ridiculously overpriced' isn't making much headway. So to all you audiophiles on this forum, help me come up with some more convincing arguments!

Let her buy them. If there's one thing I've learned in the last few years, it's that people are stubborn, they won't change, they won't listen to reason, they will only resent you for trying to help.

Even if you manage to convince her to buy something else, she's gonna find something that isn't perfect with whatever she picks, and blame you for not letting her get the beats instead which "would have been so much better".
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Imho it is her choice and regardless of how you feel it will not be you that is using them. If she has her mind made up let her have her fun. There is no reason to try and convince her otherwise. Will she lose out on some audio quality, no probably not, she probably isn't running around with the equipment to even take advantage of FLAC or ALAC. Aside from that, even if she just wants them because they are cool, so what? You aren't using them she is.

Moral, yes there are much better options, but she doesn't want them. Sometimes people have their heart set on one thing and that is what they want regardless of what other's views are. Let her get the overpriced headphones and have a good time with them.

You could try and have her look at the Audiotechnica studio monitors with the red paint and see if they are more her style, but I wouldn't push it much past there. They have a few sets with this paint scheme.

http://www.audio-technica.com/cms/headphones/ba996966ebf20251/index.html

Like I said, best to let her have her fun.
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If she's looking for them because they look good, show her some sol republic stuff. The tracks are amazing design, I'd say better than beats. They also have great sound, and you can replace each part individually if (when for the cord) it breaks.
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My cousin is of the current generation. He prefers his Boomphones, which are unbelievably bad compared to the headphones I offered to give him for free. Its a cultural thing, in my opinion. Most younger people today only want to look cool or believe the ads they see on TV for the Monster headphones or the Bose headphones. The sad truth is, they are being ripped off beyond belief. But, happiness is the most important thing. If those bad headphones make them happy, then we have no right to force anything else on their heads.
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Good stuff on the original post. I agree with you on the Skullcandy. I listened to a friends Skullcandy SLYR gaming headset and I was very, very impressed with the soundstage for a cheezy looking headphone.

Also like your list. My only qualm with it is the lack of the AKG Q701 headphones on the list. You can get them for under $200 from harman's ebay store and I compared them in listening tests to HiFiman's HE-400, and Denon ADH5000 and Sennheiser HD-600. While they all sounded great, I felt the Q701's were the best of the bunch and by god were the most comfortable headphones I've ever worn. (Denon's were a very close second). I loved the Hifiman's HE-400's but the cable disconnects looked too flimsy and they were not comfortable on my head at all.....

Anyway, just my 2 cents. I'm no HiFi reviewer, but the AKG's have a winner with the Q701's, ESPECIALLY since you can buy the 65th anniversary memory velour pads from their parts guys direct.
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Imho it is her choice and regardless of how you feel it will not be you that is using them. If she has her mind made up let her have her fun. There is no reason to try and convince her otherwise. Will she lose out on some audio quality, no probably not, she probably isn't running around with the equipment to even take advantage of FLAC or ALAC. Aside from that, even if she just wants them because they are cool, so what? You aren't using them she is.

Moral, yes there are much better options, but she doesn't want them. Sometimes people have their heart set on one thing and that is what they want regardless of what other's views are. Let her get the overpriced headphones and have a good time with them.

You could try and have her look at the Audiotechnica studio monitors with the red paint and see if they are more her style, but I wouldn't push it much past there. They have a few sets with this paint scheme.

http://www.audio-technica.com/cms/headphones/ba996966ebf20251/index.html

Like I said, best to let her have her fun.

Where did the myth come from that the only way to enjoy good headphones is through lossless music? I've seen it posted a few times around here and it's a completely ridiculous claim. The difference in frequency response of headphones is immediately apparent on ANY source. Even 128kbps mp3 rips sound better on good headphones than they do on junk ones.
 
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This is not a ridiculous statement, some headphones are very true and harsh to the recording, some are very sensitive to background fuzz and will reproduce that haze in poor quality tracks and make every single flaw VERY apparent and audible. Which headphones have you tried that were expensive in the past? The HD800, LCD3, 009?
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This is not a ridiculous statement, some headphones are very true and harsh to the recording, some are very sensitive to background fuzz and will reproduce that haze in poor quality tracks and make every single flaw VERY apparent and audible. Which headphones have you tried that were expensive in the past? The HD800, LCD3, 009?
Yes. It depends entirely. But really in this day anyone who complains MP3 is terribad deserves their head shoved into a 70db delta fan. They should listen to MIN. 192kbps IMO
My stuff is in 256-320 and for some odd reason i am unable to understand why my ALC889A brings out much more sonic clarity (Much more high-end and it doesn't sound like muddled up high-end) than my VT1708B on both 24bit 192kbps on the same speaker setup and same treble, mid, bass tunings
I pretty much guarantee if you have a ALC889A/ALC898 you don't need a PCI-E sound card. ALC889A/ALC898 is great for sonic clarity tongue.gif But sadly it is pretty much only on the highest-end motherboards of each range

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/printpage/Audio-Codec-Comparison-Table/520
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