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Laptops and tablets, you know, the mobile market that Intel was fighting for.

And for my laptop, it takes around 30 seconds from cold boot, and another 30 seconds for Windows to be responsive. Hibernate takes around 15 seconds, and another 10-20 seconds to be responsive. Sleep takes around 10-15 seconds in total.
I'll guarantee you, any Haswell laptop is most likely using a SSD.
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post #82 of 106
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It's a USB 3.0 sleep issue. There's no point in delaying a product launch because of it. If your that worried about it dont buy it at launch but dont ruin the fun for the rest of us. I'll be buying first day

Not worried at all, this won't effect me because I never use sleep mode and have no plans on getting a Haswell system any way. I'm not very keen on the idea of hardware being sold with known problems though, however small those problems may be.
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sure they aren't but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be. they will help people with issues? you mean like almost every laptop user?

here's how i see it going down.

bb employee: buy this new laptop it has haswell

customer: ok

a wk later...

customer: for some reason it keeps crashing.

bb employee: ok try a new one.

customer: it keeps doing. wow windows and this oem suck

In that scenario BB only need to switch the default sleep state to S2 before they sell the laptop, or maybe the OEM PC maker already did it for them(or warned the customer of this issue in the manual). Or just a Sticker on the laptop saying that you should save your work if you go to put the computer with a USB3 mass storage device attached.

Plus the first round of Haswell mobile aren't going into ultrabooks anyway, they are Quad core HT parts going into Desktop Replacement/Gaming Laptops where battery life is not the #1 feature anyway.
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post #84 of 106
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Not sure about 10-15secs, but my Win 7 get 16s-18s most of the time. Win 8 is even faster from what I gather.


I have never used sleep on this rig in its 7 month of operations, On or Off is all I need.

It's interesting that you see numbers like that. With the two systems I use most, both have SSDs. My main desktop boots from a 256 GB Samsung 840 Pro, and my equivalent to those events you have averages around 40 seconds. My other system boots from a 250 GB Samsung 840 (not pro) and has events stating just shy of 30 seconds on average.

Those events you're seeing don't include POST. The time is only reported from the timestamp Windows records when it starts loading to some unknown point when it figures it is done. That point is probably defined somewhere, but it isn't going to be when you're at your desktop ready to work, everything having finished loading. It will almost certainly be pre-login. POST and INT 13s add another 30 seconds to my main desktop. My other POSTS virtually instantly.

Note that I'm not attacking your assertions, just giving discussion material.
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It's interesting that you see numbers like that. With the two systems I use most, both have SSDs. My main desktop boots from a 256 GB Samsung 840 Pro, and my equivalent to those events you have averages around 40 seconds. My other system boots from a 250 GB Samsung 840 (not pro) and has events stating just shy of 30 seconds on average.

Those events you're seeing don't include POST. The time is only reported from the timestamp Windows records when it starts loading to some unknown point when it figures it is done. That point is probably defined somewhere, but it isn't going to be when you're at your desktop ready to work, everything having finished loading. It will almost certainly be pre-login. POST and INT 13s add another 30 seconds to my main desktop. My other POSTS virtually instantly.

Note that I'm not attacking your assertions, just giving discussion material.

Could it be that you have a lot of extra things to initialize in your main desktop? I frequently run registry cleaners and disable programs I don't need initialized at start up. My numbers if I do Power button->Login with a stopwatch is somewhere between 25-28 sec.
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I'm so glad I elected to totally skip the entire Haswell line of chips and went with Ivy Bridge at a much lower price (for both CPU and motherboards) and overclock the snot out of them.
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I'm so glad I elected to totally skip the entire Haswell line of chips and went with Ivy Bridge at a much lower price (for both CPU and motherboards) and overclock the snot out of them.

What if Haswell can do 5.4Ghz on air like some leaks have shown? Still not going to upgrade? biggrin.gif
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I don't care about sleep. they can sell it cheap because of the flaw maybe? win for me
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I will probably be going Hawsell when it launches. This won't effect me whatsoever as my desktop never sleeps. Having said that, Intel really needs to fix this for the mobile space and those who like using that functionality. This is nothing new for Intel or AMD for that matter. It doesn't start with Sandy Bridge. I remember my motherboard having to get swapped out in 1999/2000 for the infamous "memory translator hub" error from Intel's 820 chipset.
Edited by LancerVI - 3/12/13 at 11:27am
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post #90 of 106
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What if Haswell can do 5.4Ghz on air like some leaks have shown? Still not going to upgrade? biggrin.gif

I haven't seen any leak, credible or otherwise, that has show Haswell doing 5.4GHz on air.

I'd love to see one.


A quick google search only has turned up this:
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Months ago i saw a 5.4Ghz on air 4770K but i cant find the post anymore or the screenshot
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Originally Posted by Stay Puft 
I could have sworn there was a leaked 5.4Ghz 4770K screenshot but i cant find it anywhere

Edited by 47 Knucklehead - 3/12/13 at 10:09am
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