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teaching.gif Hokies83...

LoL One more before i go... These threads really need to just be locked instantly.. Or the Staff needs to start stepping in and laying down the truth then locking them " Like other forums do"

Anywho ppl whine about why a reviewer Benchmarks a game at 640x480 ....

Reasons for this... No not to show you gaming at what res your playing at..

Everybody knows in a Gpu heavy game the cpu is almost nullified to an extent.

So they run these reviews at 640x480 Thus removing all draw from the gpu and placing it all upon the cpu thus giving you a picture of your cpu's in game performance.

Another thing is a Cpu does math and at the speed it does this math or "Calculations" Or IPC ..

So a 5ghz 3770k vs a 5ghz 8350 will on average do this 30% faster to 50% Faster and yes you have instances where one could be as little as 5-10% and as much as 70% but this is why we are being safe by saying 30%-50%
Edited by Hokies83 - 3/15/13 at 1:41pm
    
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People buy Intel because they understand benchmarks and understand the numbers.

To add onto your summary.. I fully understand benchmarks and 'the numbers'. but I did not go with intel for my needs (which I feel are similar to many here).

-intel cost more for more single threaded performance, which isn't what I needed as much
-amd cost less for more multithreaded performance, which as a encoder and gamer who plans to continue using this pc for a while is far more important

Both are fine. AMD offers better multithreaded performance for the price, so if you hold onto the rig longer then most (as I do) use applications that are multithreaded (as I do) and 95% of the games you play are far more gpu bound (as mine are, skyrim being the only exception) then AMD is clearly a better choice in the $200 range, which was my budget for a cpu. And since I do hold onto my rigs a while, when I feel my cpu is faltering enough, I will simply plop in steam roller and be good for another few years with a gpu upgrade. My 16gb of ddr3 isn't magically going to suck that bad by then too, and my ssd, raptor, and other hdd's will be fine as well. I could careless how well one core of my 8 crunches math calculations when that has nothing to do with my needs for the rig. thumb.gif

Would you call me misinformed and one that doesn't understand benchmarks?
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To add onto your summary.. I fully understand benchmarks and 'the numbers'. but I did not go with intel for my needs (which I feel are similar to many here).

-intel cost more for more single threaded performance, which isn't what I needed as much
-amd cost less for more multithreaded performance, which as a encoder and gamer who plans to continue using this pc for a while is far more important

Both are fine. AMD offers better multithreaded performance for the price, so if you hold onto the rig longer then most (as I do) use applications that are multithreaded (as I do) and 95% of the games you play are far more gpu bound (as mine are, skyrim being the only exception) then AMD is clearly a better choice in the $200 range, which was my budget for a cpu. And since I do hold onto my rigs a while, when I feel my cpu is faltering enough, I will simply plop in steam roller and be good for another few years with a gpu upgrade. My 16gb of ddr3 isn't magically going to suck that bad by then too, and my ssd, raptor, and other hdd's will be fine as well. I could careless how well one core of my 8 crunches math calculations when that has nothing to do with my needs for the rig. thumb.gif

Would you call me misinformed and one that doesn't understand benchmarks?

If you would have spent 80$ more or 50$ more via used.. on an IB i7 you could have skiped Amd for a good 3 generations.

"which if you keep systems as long as you said would have been returned via power bill and cheaper because you could wait longer to upgrade again"
    
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If you would have spent 80$ more or 50$ more via used.. on an IB i7 you could have skiped Amd for a good 3 generations.

"which if you keep systems as long as you said would have been returned via power bill and cheaper because you could wait longer to upgrade again"

So not only did you miss the point, you also got the cost of i7's wrong. 3770k is not $280, and no, I don't live remotely near a micro center if it is there. They are $325+ last I checked, aka over 50% more than the cost of 8350. You also missed that little part that the 8350 was the best in my budget

Your argument is much like presenting the value of a corvette to a camaro owner, which basically boils down to, for only 50%-60% additional cost of your camaro, you could have got a corvette! If the world worked like that aka not setting limits on how much you want to spend, we'd all be on 3970X's.
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post #215 of 338
3770k go on sale for 289$ atleast afew times a month

And are all over forums for 250$ = 270$ BNIB

You have to join more then one forum.

Ive Seen 2600k go for as low as 200$ shipped.

On another note if a Gtx 680 was 30-50% faster then a Gtx 670 and 50$ = 100$ more.. Almost nobody would be buying a Gtx 670.

OCN has the biggest AMD population on the forums atleast the 10 i visit... On other or " more hardcore forums" they are few and far Between.
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Well, AMD GPU Fanboys are afraid of Nvidia fanboys. redface.gif They're really good (and scary at the same time) at doing underhand methods to get you banned
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Part 2 is up:

OP updated.
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Part 2 is up:

OP updated.

Oh look...

Pretty much the same conclusion......*shocked face*
    
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The Starcraft results just don't make any sense at all. I understand when a game values IPC over threading, but this is Starcraft! It's not Crysis! A 660 Ti is completely overkill for that game, yet FX8350 is chugging at 49fps?

Also I hope people are satisfied with Linus's explanation as to why he's using a midrange card and maxed details instead of a GTX690 @ 720p. He's going for realistic benches.

Which should technically mean that every game on that list should be bottlenecked by the 660 Ti, we should be seeing IDENTICAL results. Yet in practice there is a noticeable gap in quite a few games purely due to the CPU. How does one explain that? How does one DEFEND the FX8350's performance here?
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still not really caring for Linus review here, I've seen him do better..
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