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I think mainly of how to make a rig quieter. It is much quieter to run two fans at 500rpm than running one at 1000rpm. And without vents underneath the case, my gpu would be starved for air.

I'm trying to look for places that can make custom cases now.
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post #12 of 23
If you don't mind the extra height and a hole in your pocket (if you can ever find these... they show up on amazon.co.jp from time to time)

http://www.abee.co.jp/Product/CASE/AS_Enclosure/DX4_DX3/index.html
http://www.abee.co.jp/Product/CASE/AS_Enclosure/S6/index.html

In fact, they sell it in europe for a nasty price:
http://www.pc-cooling.de/Cases/Mini+-+Tower/600040405/Abee+AS+Enclosure+DX3+black.html
Edited by esseun - 3/14/13 at 3:19pm
post #13 of 23
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Not enough of an upgrade to my current case. The airflow is actually very similar to my case.

Abee stuff seems to be made very well and I love that, not so much with their case layouts though. I just really wish the ODD's would just stop being offered on cases - maybe a slim at most. They got the right idea with tucking HDDs behind the mobo tray which I like. I'm only using SSDs so I can even tape them anywhere I want too.
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post #14 of 23
In your original post >> makes no sense for fans to blow perpendicularly to gpus <<

I think the abee dx3 does it this way because it would be optimal for SLI configurations.
If you had air being pulled up from the bottom, the fresh air would only be accessible to the bottom card in the SLI configuration(?)


edit: Are you having heat issues with the aftermarket GPU cooler?
Edited by esseun - 3/14/13 at 3:46pm
post #15 of 23
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Perpendicularly:
=======GPU======== <----airflow----

I want:
=======GPU========

^^^^^^^^airflow^^^^^^^^^^^


I agree the DX3 is optimized for SLI configs. I'd never SLI for noise and temperature concerns.

I have no heat issues with my aftermarket cooler. My GPU hits ~60C at max load even with how my case is causing it to recycle back the hot air. When I take off my side panel, temps drop by 5C.

I think if a case allowed for direct cool air to my GPU, I'd get similar if not lower temps. I really want an mATX or mITX that can let me OC like crazy with great direct airflow for huge heatsinks.
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post #16 of 23
Ah I see. Yes, for a single gpu config, pulling air from the bottom is optimal.

I haven't seen such 'small' cases.. most likely you will have to cut a hole yourself :-/
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Originally Posted by ohhgourami View Post

So you're saying in a small case, all the hot air is easily pushed out? I still don't think most of these cases would work for my aftermarket gpu cooler.

it's not just the size of the case. it's also the proximity of the intake cooling fan as well as the amount of ventilation holes that exist in the case. i suppose you can call it airflow resistance. there is plenty of holes punched into the case that airflow out wont be much of a problem. when your cool intake air is less then 2 inches away from the heat source it gets cooled rather quickly. you are worried about hotspots due to the lack of exhaust and we are trying to explain to you that it's IMPOSSIBLE for a hot spot to develop in an area that is constantly feed by an intake fan less then 2 inches away biggrin.gif

in a normal large case where there is a long distance of travel and large volume, yes it's possible to have hot spots developing in areas where airflow becomes stagnant. however practically EVERY cubic centimeter inside the SG09/10 is constantly being fed by an intake fan, which makes it pretty impossible for a hot spot to develop. all the intake creates an excess of pressure and that pressure will vent itself through any/all openings that is not pushing air in smile.gif that's the positive pressure design of the SG09/10

I wouldn't worry about exhaust too much in this case. warm air will find its way out no matter what you do anyway smile.gif as long as you have cold air coming into the case at all times at such a short proximity, heat is not going to be a problem.

for a "silent" build on a SG09/10, you will actually be using quite a few fans. i would definitely populate the intake fans near the GPU with some very slow spinning 92mm fans (maybe 1200 rpm? depending on your acoustic needs) you will absolutely need to dial down the AP181 fan to about 500RPM for it to be "quiet" unfortunately the AP181 will not be "silent" unless you unplug it biggrin.gif but i consider myself fairly picky when it comes to silence and i feel 500RPM is quiet enough for me. the noise level is below that of the central air conditioner vent in my bedroom and i feel that if it's quiet enough for me to fall asleep to, its quiet enough for me to game to smile.gif
Edited by psyclum - 3/14/13 at 4:15pm
post #18 of 23
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psyclum, I'm less worried about the exhaust than I am with intakes especially with GPU. I'd have to feed my GPU from below to maximize surface area which means cutting a hole, but since that case has a two-piece bottom, the structural integrity would be compromised. And I'd use the side vents for passive exhaust.

I'm very picky when it comes to noise since where I live has a very low noise floor. I hear absolutely everything. Now that fans are finally completely inaudible, I can hear the capacitors "buzz" on my PSU. That's why I try to avoid 180mm fans. I already have my proven and trusted 120mm and 140mm to choose from.
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post #19 of 23
i understand that. however unless you are ready to build your own custom case from scratch, there is no case currently on the market that has the configuration you are looking for biggrin.gif

as far as noise level, you sound like you have a pretty sever case of acousticophobia. we are talking about noise level that is quieter then deep breathing... you DO breath don't you? biggrin.gif i mean you are not living inside an anechoic chamber where you can hear your own heart beating right biggrin.gif there are certain levels of ambient noise your brain gets used to ignoring. and this is the threshold we are talking about. it's noise level significantly lower then the sound of typing on a regular dome keyboard.(yes mechanical keyboards can be noisy)

at 500RPM i'm unable to hear the AP181 over my typing this message. it's not a great deal of noise and it's not something that you can appreciate till you heard it yourself. YES I would be the 1st person to tell you at the stock "low" setting the AP181 is "loud" but at 500RPM i find it acceptable and is a level of noise my brain can easily ignore since it's quieter then regular typing, mouse click, or the central air conditioner.

CAN a "silent" machine be built that is quieter. absolutely. just not with the hardware you have in mind. there ARE fanless video cards like PowerColor's SCS3 HD6850 and cpu coolers like the scythe Orochi or the nofan cr-95c to help with noiseless cooling. you can even get either a silverstone nightjar 500 or a kingwin stryker 500 for noiseless PSU but they are NOT the type of gear that will fit inside a small package like a SG09/10

there have been even more extreme examples like the Zalman TNN500AF where the entire case is essentially 50 pounds worth of heatsink bolted together to look like a case.



or the silverstone RV01 video where they ran the thing completely fanless to demonstrate the virtue of rotated motherboard mount.

but none of this really applies to the component you are trying to use.

what it comes down to is you are used to a "large" case. the thermal characteristics of a large (ATX) case is far different then that of a small case (mATX or ITX) a small case requires LESS cooling because the proximity of cool intake air to the heat source.

there IS an alternative and that would be the FT03... you can mod the side panel to accept cooling fans... tho it wont work as well due to the fact your GPU cooler is not designed for vertical mount orientation.

another alternative would be the fractal design core 1000, you can mod the bottom to accept intake fans. tho it's a fairly "cheap" case and may not be the quality you are looking for.
post #20 of 23
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I'm just really damn picky about my system when its idling. It's perfect as it is right now sound wise.

I guess I'm stuck for now...
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