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This should be added to the OP:
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"We're building a whole bunch of stuff", continued Tamasi, "and we had to look at console business as an opportunity cost. If we say, did a console, what other piece of our business would we put on hold to chase after that?"

What they're basically stating is, they wanted to dedicate their engineering to their Tegra mobile processors and existing GPUs. Diverting attention to consoles would drive their efforts in an opposite direction.
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Since Physx isn't portable, they went with an open standard chip maker...

EXcept, the PS4 is going to be using PhysX. On a AMD GPU. Yes, that's right, get over it.
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I though AMD just licensed the design and Sony / Microsoft would be paying Global Foundries to manufacture

Not this time. They're selling the chips on a per-chip basis due to the x86 microarchitecture.

Another thing that should be mentioned is that nvidia cannot do x86 architecture, and Sony wanted that for the PS4.
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EXcept, the PS4 is going to be using PhysX. On a AMD GPU. Yes, that's right, get over it.

Uh, dude. This was discussed before. Physx is only being as a physics engine and middleware on the PS4, just so you know, PS3 and xbox 360 did this as well. Many titles use physx as only a physics engine without the effects of games like borderlands 2.

Let's clear something up: there are two types of physx implementations. The first can be used on any hardware and doesn't require dedicated nvidia CUDA hardware - a lot of games use this, and it DOES NOT use GPU accelerated effects. The other implementation in which you get graphical effects requires dedicated NV hardware - such as what you see in Batman: AC, and Hawken, etc. That won't happen on PS4. A lot of PS3 games used physx in this same manner.

This will also be the case with PS4. It will not have GPU accelerated effects whatsoever, that is NOT POSSIBLE without CUDA or nvidia hardware. If you're expecting effects out of Batman: AC i'm sorry friend, not happening. Maybe you should "get over it" wink.gif
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maybe nvidia was pushing sony and microsoft to use a tegra, it is possible that it was a deal breaker.
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Uh, dude. This was discussed before. Physx is only being as a physics engine and middleware on the PS4, just so you know, PS3 and xbox 360 did this as well. Many titles use physx as only a physics engine without the effects of games like borderlands 2.

This will also be the case with PS4. It will not have GPU accelerated effects whatsoever, that is NOT POSSIBLE without CUDA or nvidia hardware. If you're expecting effects out of Batman: AC i'm sorry friend, not happening.

Do you even know what you just said?
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maybe nvidia was pushing sony and microsoft to use a tegra, it is possible that it was a deal breaker.

Why on earth would they want a cell-phone processor in a console?
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http://techreport.com/news/24478/nvidia-physx-sdk-adds-playstation-4-support
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but we shouldn't be surprised that the SDK supports the upcoming console. The PhysX SDK already supports the PlayStation 3, the Xbox 360, and even the lowly Wii. Indeed, the games section of the PhysX developer site lists a handful of console titles that already use Nvidia's physics API. That collection is a little dated compared to the PhysX games listed on GeForce.com, although that site doesn't make a distinction between console and PC releases.

Nvidia later clarified further:
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Currently, most features in the PhysX SDK run only on the CPU, regardless of platforms. Certain features, such as particle systems and clothing, can be accelerated only on a CUDA-capable GPU. We will continue to study the feasibility of alternate implementations, and welcome any feedback from the developer community regarding the value of GPU-accelerated PhysX on all architectures.

You're not getting GPU accelerated physx on the PS4. Only the CPU powered physx middleware for collision detection. Did you know the PS3 and xbox 360 also used physx? Maybe you should know what the hell you're talking about bud wink.gif

Dragon Age Origins used Physx on the Playstation 3 and Xbox 360. Did you know this? It doesn't use GPU accelerated physx.
Edited by xoleras - 3/14/13 at 8:00am
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Spin, Sony at least wrote off Nvidia for the PS4 a long time ago. It's more accurate to say that dealing with nvidia isn't worth the cost to MS and Sony. no x86, AMD could provide just as good GPU's(better if you're talking a low power part) for less money, etc.
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Let me translate.

Nvidia wanted high grade pricing for mid tier hardware.

Know your value. Nvidia does.
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