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Nvidia compares the PS4 to a low-end PC.

This is like the worst I have seen coming from someone that is suppose to be intelligent.

I sense a lot of envy.
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This is like the worst I have seen coming from someone that is suppose to be intelligent.

I sense a lot of envy.

Certainly sounds like he's trying to sugar coat it to make it look like NVidia didn't care about and they are interested in other things (while it's quite obvious they're a little bitter about not being able to provide), but he's absolutely right about the terms of the power the PS4 is going to have and how PC's are already ahead of it. Something the last gen of consoles didn't do. The 360 was ahead of most PC's at the time of release and it wasn't until a year later with the 8800GT and HD3000 cards that PC's caught up.

Also, I said this before and I'll say it again, NVidia didn't stand a chance in this gen of consoles because they don't have an x86 licence and can't provide good performing GPU's cheap enough unlike AMD. AMD has the licences and the ability to provde at a good price.. whereas NVidia, judging by this, wanted too much money for only a GPU. AMD were obviously more capable (also willing and has the resources to work with). Sony obviously weren't so burned by the RSA GPU of the PS3 enough because they clearly had some dialogue with NVidia about providing the GPU... looks like NVidia turned them down.

NVidia never stood a chance in this gen.
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Certainly sounds like he's trying to sugar coat it to make it look like NVidia didn't care about and they are interested in other things (while it's quite obvious they're a little bitter about not being able to provide), but he's absolutely right about the terms of the power the PS4 is going to have and how PC's are already ahead of it. Something the last gen of consoles didn't do. The 360 was ahead of most PC's at the time of release and it wasn't until a year later with the 8800GT and HD3000 cards that PC's caught up.

Also, I said this before and I'll say it again, NVidia didn't stand a chance in this gen of consoles because they don't have an x86 licence and can't provide good performing GPU's cheap enough unlike AMD. AMD has the licences and the ability to provde at a good price.. whereas NVidia, judging by this, wanted too much money for only a GPU. AMD were obviously more capable (also willing and has the resources to work with). Sony obviously weren't so burned by the RSA GPU of the PS3 enough because they clearly had some dialogue with NVidia about providing the GPU... looks like NVidia turned them down.

NVidia never stood a chance in this gen.

I do agree they didn't stand a chance lachen.gif

They definitely would love a chance though.

Every company has the ability to provide a good price. That argument is weak.

And the reason for my previous post is....
What a console is capable of doing with hardware is about 4 times better than what a pc can do with the same hardware.

Look at what the wiiU is doing with a gpu weaker than a 4770.

I thought someone from Nvidia would know that and present a better argument as to why they are hurt.
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Certainly sounds like he's trying to sugar coat it to make it look like NVidia didn't care about and they are interested in other things (while it's quite obvious they're a little bitter about not being able to provide), but he's absolutely right about the terms of the power the PS4 is going to have and how PC's are already ahead of it. Something the last gen of consoles didn't do. The 360 was ahead of most PC's at the time of release and it wasn't until a year later with the 8800GT and HD3000 cards that PC's caught up.

Also, I said this before and I'll say it again, NVidia didn't stand a chance in this gen of consoles because they don't have an x86 licence and can't provide good performing GPU's cheap enough unlike AMD. AMD has the licences and the ability to provde at a good price.. whereas NVidia, judging by this, wanted too much money for only a GPU. AMD were obviously more capable (also willing and has the resources to work with). Sony obviously weren't so burned by the RSA GPU of the PS3 enough because they clearly had some dialogue with NVidia about providing the GPU... looks like NVidia turned them down.

NVidia never stood a chance in this gen.

hmmm so the console(ps4-xbox720) ports on PC will suffer on nvidia cards somehow ?!!
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Nvidia is focusing on the overall performance the ps4 will be delivering. Well, that does not mean anything as a console game is a real time event, and thus latency determines the sensation of motion, not the biggest gpu that AMD places within ps4.
I really think a 7860 would be enough, provided that there are 4 extra dedicated physics compute units next to 14 dedicated graphics cus. I'm ready for awe.
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Actually, I feel differently ... seems like lately (finally) we've really been getting some games that are worthy of our $300+ GPU's wink.gif

Examples: Maxed out, the new Tomb Raider can bring my card to it's knees. So can Hitman:Absolution. Crysis 3 is crushing people's rigs. I can just barely max out Far Cry 3, I prefer to lower a setting or two to stay over 60fps at all times. Heck even Batman Arkham City, which is pretty old now, gives my card a great challenge when maxed out, and would crush a 460. I wouldn't want to play Max Payne 3 on any less of a GPU than the one I've got ...

Things have been looking up on this front if you ask me thumb.gif

I agree completely. There have been some fantastic examples of quality PC releases lately. I really hope developers are seeing the PC as a valid (and loyal) market now, instead of as a dying breed.
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I do agree they didn't stand a chance lachen.gif

They definitely would love a chance though.

Every company has the ability to provide a good price. That argument is weak.

And the reason for my previous post is....
What a console is capable of doing with hardware is about 4 times better than what a pc can do with the same hardware.

Look at what the wiiU is doing with a gpu weaker than a 4770.

I thought someone from Nvidia would know that and present a better argument as to why they are hurt.

Well you argued like hell with me about those points before, but they still stand. NVidia didn't stand a chance because they can't offer what AMD can... which is performance AND affordability.

And the difference with these consoles is that they're x86... so unlike the PS3 and 360, where a significant amount of time and resources was put into optimising for those platforms and architectures, this time that effort will go into optimising for x86. Now the difference here is that previously, PC ports were neglected and developers only spent time making it work, with a sparing few who would put extra time in for additional features. Now, with most of the leg work already done there will be less time porting for PC since the code will be x86 native already and will already be optimised for PC-like hardware...

Imho, this gen of consoles (or the PS4 at least) being x86 is a god send for PC gamers.

Sure, PC's do more with weaker hardware... but the alst gen of consoles had significantly better hardware on release and it took PC's a year to catch up. Given that, and the fact that PC ports were held back because of the lack in compatibility with architectures... I expect PC games will be more optimised and will be able to do more and above what the PS4 can give us. a GTX680 or HD7870 is already much better than the PS4.
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Well you argued like hell with me about those points before, but they still stand. NVidia didn't stand a chance because they can't offer what AMD can... which is performance AND affordability.

And the difference with these consoles is that they're x86... so unlike the PS3 and 360, where a significant amount of time and resources was put into optimising for those platforms and architectures, this time that effort will go into optimising for x86. Now the difference here is that previously, PC ports were neglected and developers only spent time making it work, with a sparing few who would put extra time in for additional features. Now, with most of the leg work already done there will be less time porting for PC since the code will be x86 native already and will already be optimised for PC-like hardware...

Imho, this gen of consoles (or the PS4 at least) being x86 is a god send for PC gamers.

Sure, PC's do more with weaker hardware... but the alst gen of consoles had significantly better hardware on release and it took PC's a year to catch up. Given that, and the fact that PC ports were held back because of the lack in compatibility with architectures... I expect PC games will be more optimised and will be able to do more and above what the PS4 can give us. a GTX680 or HD7870 is already much better than the PS4.

I said I agree that they didn't stand a chance. As to why they did not stand a chance we have different views which I do not wish to get back into.

It just turns out Nvidia happens to not be present any any consoles out of coincidence.

Yes a 680/ 7970 is better than the gpu in the ps4 by specs. However ps4 will top visuals of the 680/7970 as consoles have been doing for years.

So comparing hardware is pointless. Or else the Wiiu wouldn't be able to perform at all seeing as it has such "weak" hardware.

Xbox360 and Ps3 is the only time where console internals were = to pc.

What about previous consoles, like the ps2 and xbox? One had 300mhz cpu and the other had 700mhz.

The held up real well with pc.
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I said I agree that they didn't stand a chance. As to why they did not stand a chance we have different views which I do not wish to get back into.

It just turns out Nvidia happens to not be present any any consoles out of coincidence.

Yes a 680/ 7970 is better than the gpu in the ps4 by specs. However ps4 will top visuals of the 680/7970 as consoles have been doing for years.

So comparing hardware is pointless. Or else the Wiiu wouldn't be able to perform at all seeing as it has such "weak" hardware.

Xbox360 and Ps3 is the only time where console internals were = to pc.

What about previous consoles, like the ps2 and xbox? One had 300mhz cpu and the other had 700mhz.

The held up real well with pc.

...The best looking visuals on the PS4 was running directly from a PC (Watch Dogs) wink.gif They also ran the UT Elemental video and it looked significantly worse than the DX11 PC version:

http://www.pcper.com/news/Editorial/Unreal-Engine-4-Demo-PS4-Reduced-Quality
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Nvidia compares the PS4 to a low-end PC.
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While its very easy to brush these comments off as just an industry rival trying to promote PC gaming, it should be noted that Nvidia currently provides the graphics chip technology for the PS3. The PS4 will instead use a custom Radeon GPU, with Tamasi revealing that, "I'm sure there was a negotiation that went on, and we came to the conclusion that we didn't want to do the business [with Sony for the PS4] at the price those guys were willing to pay."

If nvidia had ended up getting a deal with Sony that they found beneficial to them, this article would be singing the praises of the PS4 and all the potential it has to stay relevant for years to come. Or it just wouldn't have been written.
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