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Originally Posted by Cryosis00 View Post

Let me translate.

Nvidia wanted high grade pricing for mid tier hardware.

Eh, that's not entirely accurate.

I have dealt with Nvidia for just about a decade, especially their business department and I don't exactly agree.

In terms of "ripping off the consumer" I could give you ATI/AMD examples that far trump Nvidia's...By more than double, the issue is that ATI/AMD don't publish their cost/scaling like Nvidia, does.

That being said, what I've heard from insiders is that Nvidia was essentially undercut, substantially...Enough that they wouldn't be making a solid profit margin...You have to remember that 2nd and 3rd gen PS4's will need entire re-designs of the cards as well...

I can't speak for what AMD offered because I don't conduct business with their business department (I go through my distributor) but, I have heard from more than one source they're building for about half their margins which is 3-4% less then what Nvidia was asking.

TLDR: Pot, meet kettle, kettle meet cauldron, cauldron meet pot.
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Originally Posted by Zero4549 View Post

Why on earth would they want a cell-phone processor in a console?

because thats all nvidia can offer in terms of a "cpu"
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Originally Posted by WorldExclusive View Post

Know your value. Nvidia does.

Obviously. They though they could get Sony to buy the same hardware for more money then AMD was charging, plus have to pay for a CPU. They took AMD's offer, since nvidia's was most likely unreasonable.
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Originally Posted by xoleras View Post

http://techreport.com/news/24478/nvidia-physx-sdk-adds-playstation-4-support
Nvidia later clarified further:
You're not getting GPU accelerated physx on the PS4. Only the CPU powered physx middleware for collision detection. Did you know the PS3 and xbox 360 also used physx? Maybe you should know what the hell you're talking about bud wink.gif

Dragon Age Origins used Physx on the Playstation 3 and Xbox 360. Did you know this? It doesn't use GPU accelerated physx.

Do you realize how abysmally outdated PS3 and Xbox360 hardware is?

How about the fact that CUDA isn't some kind of magical system that can only work on GPUs with green shrouds? It's all licencing. Throw out everything that you know about drivers on PC, it doesn't translate.
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Originally Posted by Master__Shake View Post

because thats all nvidia can offer in terms of a "cpu"

No one ever considered Nvidia for CPUs, this thread is about GPUs.
Edited by Zero4549 - 3/14/13 at 8:07am
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Do you realize how abysmally outdated PS3 and Xbox360 hardware is?

How about the fact that CUDA isn't some kind of magical system that can only work on GPUs with green shrouds? It's all licencing. Throw out everything that you know about drivers on PC, it doesn't translate.

You're sidestepping the issue here. The issue is that the PS4 will not do any form of GPU accelerated physx functions. Your original post suggested that it would, and i'm telling you that you're wrong.

You need to understand that there are two implementations of physx, and one does not require any GPU acceleration nor does it require nvidia hardware - this type of implementation was used EXTENSIVELY on the 360 and PS3. That's the point i'm trying to get across to you. You're trying to suggest that the PS4 will do GPU accelerated physx. That would be incorrect sir. Just like the PS3 and xbox 360 before it, it will only do CPU physx and CANNOT do any GPU accelerated physx functions. Again, GPU accelerated physx *requires* CUDA and *requires* nvidia hardware - but the other CPU functions are only used for things like collision detection and does not require either of those - this is the implementation that PS4 will use.
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You always agree with me, you just don't realize it yet. wink.gif

Nice! Got me there. tongue.gif
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if console business is so bad. why make your own hand held console?
nvidia is just being silly.
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Obviously. They though they could get Sony to buy the same hardware for more money then AMD was charging, plus have to pay for a CPU. They took AMD's offer, since nvidia's was most likely unreasonable.

That's not how bidding on a contract works...

Company sends out a feeler, you post bids, bid against competitors and develop a contract.

Nvidia got low enough that their profit margin didn't exist...It wasn't unreasonable, they just wouldn't make any money...Nvidia was asking for 4-5% margins.

AMD offered a less expensive product and won the bid...Literally only making 2-3% total.

...Less expensive offering making a 2-3% profit margin vs. a more expensive product asking 4-5%...

I don't quite understand why most of you are making Nvidia out to be the "bad guys"...

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Originally Posted by Heuchler View Post

if console business is so bad. why make your own hand held console?
nvidia is just being silly.

...Project Shield has been in development for about 2-3 years, brosky.

LONG before Sony was accepting bids for production.
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No one ever considered Nvidia for CPUs, this thread is about GPUs.

my original post was that "maybe nvidia wanted to offer a package deal..."
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That headline is a bit misleading. That it is not worth the opportunity cost to Nvidia I agree with. The headline reads as if they are saying it's not worth the cost Sony is charging consumers.

Yes, I thought the same.
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