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I have never owned a iphone and never will with there business model.. Locked to itunes market, non removable battery's, non upgradable storage, and outdated UI, and charge a price premium and say each phone on launch is the greatest thing since slice bread when it's android competitor's are usually running higher spec'd phones and alot more innovative features like Samsung did with touchwiz on the gs3 and GNote2.

I'm not even a android fan boy, I'm loving my BlackBerry Z10 thumb.gif
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Originally Posted by Gnomepatrol View Post

Three of my friends have the 3gs (AT&T) and have iOS 6 and have had zero issues.

To the people here I think most of the complaint is more to the fragmentation of Android across all devices. There is a pretty big range of versions running which make it hard to develop for. Even google does not support previous versions (I believe you now have to have at least 4.0 to run the current chrome mobile browser correct me if I am wrong) with their chrome browser and this is their operating system.

It is one of the issues I have with android. For all the good that it has, the lack of consistent support for the long term is not there. Now this has a lot to do with the manufacturers and carriers deserve a lot of blame for this, however google is trying its best to fix this. The nexus line is really the only line worth a damn as far as long term support is concerned and that is if you are not on verizon.

Yes you can unlock the bootloader (if needed) and install a custom rom if needed, but I don't want to have to do that. I want my phone to work and be updated regularly along with having at least 4 years of support. 4 years isn't too much to ask for a device that costs 800$ new. Just my 2 cents.

EDIT: Also from a dev standpoint, it is really annoying to have to support multiple versions on the same platform. Ask a web dev how fun it is having to write a separate code to support IE. SOOO much fun. Having the ability to write one piece of code to run across all devices its nice. Apple fixed the application resolution issue with an update a few months back, code for one works for all.

just because Google stops supporting the older versions doesn't mean that your phone is suddenly going to explode. It'll work great when you buy it, it'll receive the updates it needs while it's still in the spotlight, then after a year, you'll just coast with your fully functional phone.

now if you're sportin a cheap android phone and wonder why you can't download/play some of the more demanding games/apps, then that's your own fault, you didn't buy a phone in that league.


This segmentation isn't all that bad for the consumers. You can buy the perfect phone that fits perfectly for you. You can have a powerhouse phone, a crappy phone, or one in the happy middle, each with their own pro's/con's

The biggest downside to segmentation is pinned on the developers. They're the only ones with the biggest choice...what's their lowest common denominator they're willing to support.
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post #33 of 114
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Let's clear this up once and for all...what you call fragmentation we consumers call choice.

Is this kid serious right now?
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Originally Posted by j3st3r View Post

Is this kid serious right now?

I totally agree with him. Our phones can't all live in some utopia where each is equal.

Pretty much every other piece of technology is the same. I have an old bluray player that couldn't play new blurays unless you downloaded the firmware from their website. Now, you can't find the firmware. Why? because they want you to buy a new bluray device (the model i have is from like 2008). luckily somebody else had it uploaded on a forum somewhere. Is it bad of the company? Meh it's business, and i was an early adopter. Software is even more challenging than hardware.

Maybe not the best example....but this issue occurs in ever other device.
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I totally agree with him. Our phones can't all live in some utopia where each is equal.

Pretty much every other piece of technology is the same. I have an old bluray player that couldn't play new blurays unless you downloaded the firmware from their website. Now, you can't find the firmware. Why? because they want you to buy a new bluray device (the model i have is from like 2008). luckily somebody else had it uploaded on a forum somewhere. Is it bad of the company? Meh it's business, and i was an early adopter. Software is even more challenging than hardware.

Maybe not the best example....but this issue occurs in ever other device.

I'm certain you have no idea what fragmentation is. Fragmentation is not ending support for a Blu-Ray player made 5 years ago. Fragmentation is ending support of a recently made product while pumping out a newer phone with slightly different hardware specs that makes the new - yet already software outdated - phone become unsupported. I remember when I had my Android phone I had to void my warrenty by rooting and installing a new rom just to get a new OS. That is essentially the problem with the Android community as a whole - developers are constantly pumping out a new phone every month and ending support for older phones too quickly. Its a failed model for the consumer and a brilliant way to nickel and dime consumers.

Think about it. There has been all but 6 iPhones released and iOS 6 is still being supported on 4 models. Android...?



Lol. Fragmentation is a 'choice'. Android fans are hilarious.
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i'm seeing this turning into another apple vs iphone thing.. doh.gif
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I'm certain you have no idea what fragmentation is. Fragmentation is not ending support for a Blu-Ray player made 5 years ago. Fragmentation is ending support of a recently made product while pumping out a newer phone with slightly different hardware specs that makes the new - yet already software outdated - phone become unsupported. I remember when I had my Android phone I had to void my warrenty by rooting and installing a new rom just to get a new OS. That is essentially the problem with the Android community as a whole - developers are constantly pumping out a new phone every month and ending support for older phones too quickly. Its a failed model for the consumer and a brilliant way to nickel and dime consumers.

Think about it. There has been all but 6 iPhones released and iOS 6 is still being supported on 4 models. Android...?

1350329

Lol. Fragmentation is a 'choice'. Android fans are hilarious.


Edit: "Consumers are limited to all but 6 iPhones released and iOS 6 is still being supported on 4 models. Android"

- not to mention, there's barely a difference between any of the iphones (they're all limited in the same way)

On Android, there's a new phone practically every week. Certain ones excel in different things. I wouldn't expect your entry level phone to get the same drawing apps a Note 2 has.

I still see choice.
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I'm certain you have no idea what fragmentation is. Fragmentation is not ending support for a Blu-Ray player made 5 years ago. Fragmentation is ending support of a recently made product while pumping out a newer phone with slightly different hardware specs that makes the new - yet already software outdated - phone become unsupported. I remember when I had my Android phone I had to void my warrenty by rooting and installing a new rom just to get a new OS. That is essentially the problem with the Android community as a whole - developers are constantly pumping out a new phone every month and ending support for older phones too quickly. Its a failed model for the consumer and a brilliant way to nickel and dime consumers.

Think about it. There has been all but 6 iPhones released and iOS 6 is still being supported on 4 models. Android...?



Lol. Fragmentation is a 'choice'. Android fans are hilarious.

Well sir, I have an HTC HD2 that is running Android 4.2.1 right now that might have something to say about this. Android isn't the problem. The HW isn't the problem. The problem is the EOMs such as Samsung, Sony, HTC, LG, etc. It's pretty much up to them and not Google on who gets updates.

You're both comparing Apples to Oranges here.
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Jobs would have made a similar argument regarding the current state of android and the S IV in particular, but he would have done it without coming across as bitter. Apple has a very tough road ahead because there's more and more discussion about how they're out of ideas and don't have any particular vision for the future.
    
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Well sir, I have an HTC HD2 that is running Android 4.2.1 right now that might have something to say about this. Android isn't the problem. The HW isn't the problem. The problem is the EOMs such as Samsung, Sony, HTC, LG, etc. It's pretty much up to them and not Google on who gets updates.

You're both comparing Apples to Oranges here.

to add to this, it's then ULTIMATELY up to the providers (verizon/ At&T/ etc..) to provide the updates.
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