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But the OP however never asked for a large RAID boot drive setup...
No doubt as it is the best RAID option for maximum performance and redundancy. However few home users will sacrifice 50% of their disk space simply for the redundancy a RAID10 would bring, it simply is not cost effective, especially if you already backup your data. If redundancy is a must and you will be SSD caching then a RAID 5 for most home users is more cost effective but in any case its irrelevant for the OP as he stated that he only had space for one more disk...
Don't generalize that a RAID 5 array is slow because most of this generalization comes from the business market segment where depending on workload the read and write performance is critical and that's where the RAID 5 fails due to the parity. The performance of a RAID 5 array can vary greatly depending on workloads and the quality of hardware (RAID controller and drives). In general a RAID 5 array will give you fast reads almost comparable to the RAID 10 but will lack severely on the writes compared to the RAID 10. But in this scenario for a home user playing games (reading from the drive 99% of the time), the RAID 5 will provide great performance and redundancy without sacrificing 50% of the disk space. The writes are another story and will only impact the user when installing games, copying files, etc... Again this is out of context for the thread but I wanted to clear up the misinformation regarding the RAID 5 generalization that it is "slow".

Raid5 sucks for anything but servers with caching raid controllers. On desktop systems it's the motherboard raid most often used, so If you're building a raid5 with it then you probably want capacity over performance.

I don't think this forum is for home users in general, I think it more toward the enthusiast, and I think educating them will most likely result in more raid10 arrays smile.gif

The original poster said many things, one thing he mentioned, he wanted capacity and speed. He could build a cheap raid10, use SSD space on his 840 pro to cache it if his mobo supports SSD caching, and save money. He'd get more space over the VR even if he used 4x500gb disks. Maybe put the savings toward a bigger case smile.gif
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The original poster said many things, one thing he mentioned, he wanted capacity and speed. He could build a cheap raid10, use SSD space on his 840 pro to cache it if his mobo supports SSD caching, and save money. He'd get more space over the VR even if he used 4x500gb disks. Maybe put the savings toward a bigger case smile.gif

What I respect about the other posts is listening to my post. I like my case, I don't want anything larger. I need the 1.5TB, don't want to spend money on another high capacity drive. I want something fast, with decent capacity. I can't fit 4 drives, I can only fit, at most, 3. I don't want more.
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Raid5 sucks for anything but servers with caching raid controllers. On desktop systems it's the motherboard raid most often used, so If you're building a raid5 with it then you probably want capacity over performance.
Clearly you didn't read or understood the message I was conveying through my post. I did say that the performance of a RAID 5 array can vary greatly depending on workloads and the quality of hardware (RAID controller and drives). Of course a server with a high end RAID controller cannot compete with the RAID controllers typically found on desktop motherboards but this is not the point here. A RAID 5 on a desktop system in most cases will still provide the user with faster reads vs a single drive all while preserving most of your disk space if redundancy is a requirement. In a case where redundancy is not a requirement, why waste disk space on a RAID 5/RAID 10 when you can simply build a RAID 0. Of course if maximum performance/redundancy is a requirement and you're willing to spend the money on extra disks to be used for redundancy only, then by all means go ahead as its clearly the winner over anything else.

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I don't think this forum is for home users in general, I think it more toward the enthusiast, and I think educating them will most likely result in more raid10 arrays smile.gif
Not everyone joins OCN because they are enthusiasts, people join to learn and expand their knowledge which means that these forums have people ranging in experience from beginners all the way up to hardcore enthusiasts. Your opinion that a RAID 5 array "sucks" is just that, your opinion. If you dislike using RAID 5 then you are entitled to your opinion as everyone else is but don't downplay a technology you may not fully comprehend simply by saying it "sucks". Instead follow your own advice and provide insightful facts and information in order to educate the newcomers understand the differences between different technologies and let them form their own opinion on what they want/need and/or can afford.

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The original poster said many things, one thing he mentioned, he wanted capacity and speed. He could build a cheap raid10, use SSD space on his 840 pro to cache it if his mobo supports SSD caching, and save money. He'd get more space over the VR even if he used 4x500gb disks. Maybe put the savings toward a bigger case smile.gif
eh-smiley.gif Sometimes reading the posts carefully helps...

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I only have space for 1 more drive, and I want it to be fast. The WD VR 1TB is the fastest mechanical drive I can buy right now. A second SSD doesn't make sense because I already have the 840pro and I wont be reconfiguring for a RAID setup, and I am ok sacrificing some speed for the space that a 1TB VR would give me.

Also, I wouldn't install things to the green drive, since it's slow as hell. It's just for media/programs that aren't games.

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This thread wasn't supposed to be "is a VR better than an SSD?", it's "should I buy it now, or wait for it to drop more?" ....will it drop more is something to be discussed. I'd love a system full of SSDs, but space/$ is a concern.

At the moment I have room for 1 3.5'' drive if I squeeze it into unused space, or a 2.5'' drive. I would consider voiding the warranty and squeezing the VR in the 2.5'' slot...
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The original poster said many things, one thing he mentioned, he wanted capacity and speed. He could build a cheap raid10, use SSD space on his 840 pro to cache it if his mobo supports SSD caching, and save money. He'd get more space over the VR even if he used 4x500gb disks. Maybe put the savings toward a bigger case smile.gif

What I respect about the other posts is listening to my post. I like my case, I don't want anything larger. I need the 1.5TB, don't want to spend money on another high capacity drive. I want something fast, with decent capacity. I can't fit 4 drives, I can only fit, at most, 3. I don't want more.

I decided not to repeat it for you but I'm glad you did... proves who follows/reads the thread and who reads the last few postings..
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