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The score that brings the most bragging rights is single GPU 3dm11 WR on hwbot. (or if CPUs are included, CPU frequency WR)

The OCN heaven/3dmark scene with 4 GPUs probably consists of 10 people or less due to price reasons. There's no "benchers use multiple cards", the only thing that's important is that a person who likes to bench pushes his/her hardware to the absolute max, no matter the hardware. That's why I like hwbot, you don't need lots of expensive hardware to compete and you actually have competition (both in the OC league for extreme coolers and enthusiast league for those who do not like sub zero).
Funny thing is all I got from your post is that titan is not worth it.
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Yea i read this yesterday. Funny thing is this guy never once complained about AMD GPUs stuttering before the Titan launched. I've been a HW canucks reader for awhile (as it's a Canadian site and reviews take CAD pricing in consideration) and he has never had any complaints about stutter on AMD. Even when he reviewed the 7990....

Now suddenly it's game breaking and all dramatic rolleyes.gif

I completely ignore this frame time garbage.
Edited by bencher - 3/14/13 at 2:43pm
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I can see it now, yet another Titan thread with 50+ pages of nothing but price/performance vs single gpu superiority banter biggrin.gif
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Yea i read this yesterday. Funny thing is this guy never once complained about AMD GPUs stuttering before the Titan launched. I've been a HW canucks reader for awhile (as it's a Canadian site and reviews take CAD pricing in consideration) and he has never had any complaints about stutter on AMD. Even when he reviewed the 7990....

Now suddenly it's game breaking and all dramatic rolleyes.gif

As far as I'm aware the 7990 (well the first models) came out before the drivers that apparently introduced bigger stuttering problems.

What SKYMTL is reporting with those numbers is btw frame time deviation which is what PCper has been complaning about. Average frame times would most likely show the crossfire setups and SLI setups as superior compared to the Titan even with frame times. However since those are not what frame times are about...
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Funny thing is all I got from your post is that titan is not worth it.

have I ever said that it's objectively worth it? Lol. I've said it can be worth it to a person with some specific priorities.
 
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they use some junk and new games that dont support CF very well
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Titan is 41% slower then 7970 Xfire yet costs 28.5% more. Great work Nvidia thumb.gif
What bragging rights? People who benchmark dont use a single card. We use multiple ones.

"Ask any benchmarker, any real benchmarker. It doesnt matter if you win by a fraction of a fps or a single fps. winning's winning" biggrin.gif

Could you please tell me how did you figured 41% slower in the Crysis 3 graphic?

Considering 55.84 fps being 100%, 39.58 fps is roughly 71% of 55.84 -> 29% slower.

Also, considering 7970's are going for 400 USD or even a bit more, 1000 USD is 25% higher.
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they use some junk and new games that dont support CF very well
Terrible excuse, all their games save for Dirt (the only game AMD does well on) are popular and highly rated. The worst thing about this is 4/6 of those games are Gaming Evolved LOL. Farcry 3, Crysis 3 and Hitman came bundled with AMD cards for goodness sake.
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Could you please tell me how did you figured 41% slower in the Crysis 3 graphic?

Considering 55.84 fps being 100%, 39.58 fps is roughly 71% of 55.84 -> 29% slower.

Also, considering 7970's are going for 400 USD or even a bit more, 1000 USD is 25% higher.

55.84/39.58 = ~41 faster FPS for the 7970s in Xfire.
Edited by th3illusiveman - 3/14/13 at 3:00pm
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Totally agree biggrin.gif This threads are just about bragging rights.
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Terrible excuse, all their games save for Dirt (the only game AMD does well on) are popular and highly rated. The worst thing about this is 4/6 of those games are Gaming Evolved LOL. Farcry 3, Crysis 3 and Hitman came bundled with AMD cards for goodness sake.
55.84/39.58 = ~41 faster FPS for the 7970s in Xfire.

That's right, the 7970 XF is roughly 41% faster than the Titan.
But the Titan is 29% slower than the 7970 XF

Math is awesome! biggrin.gif
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Could you please tell me how did you figured 41% slower in the Crysis 3 graphic?

Considering 55.84 fps being 100%, 39.58 fps is roughly 71% of 55.84 -> 29% slower.

Also, considering 7970's are going for 400 USD or even a bit more, 1000 USD is 25% higher.


55.84 / 39.58 = 41%

I paid 389 a piece for my 7970's

389.99 * 2 = 779.98

999.99 / 779.98 = 28.2%
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I completely forgot how quickly these threads fill up. Move away from the computer for an hour and two pages have filled up.

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Yea i read this yesterday. Funny thing is this guy never once complained about AMD GPUs stuttering before the Titan launched. I've been a HW canucks reader for awhile (as it's a Canadian site and reviews take CAD pricing in consideration) and he has never had any complaints about stutter on AMD. Even when he reviewed the 7990....

Now suddenly it's game breaking and all dramatic rolleyes.gif

I think SKYMTL will probably enter this thread and i'd love to know why he didn't talk about this awful, terrible stutter before.... and why he burns the 7970GHz on it's noise when he said himself in his own 7970GHz review that noise isn't a concern because of the abundance of non-reference coolers...

Also his statement that overclocking does not improve frametimes at all is completely false, the proof is right there with the HD7950, a faster card (in this case the 7970) gets better frametimes the faster it is the quicker it renders frames the better the latency. This was apparent in TechReports older reviews where the GTX570 got horrible frametimes in comparison to the GTX580 and the 6950 got worse frametimes than the 6970.

I'm not trying to give AMD a free pass here, looking at those charts crossfire is an embarassment in comparison to SLi when it comes to latency and considering the 7970s are older than the GTX680s this should have been fixed a long times ago.

Your comments are well received and I'll try to address them.

I think one of the main issues with the "stuttering" effect boils down to which games are being tested. Admittedly, our previous testing suites were outdated and typically ran games at quite high framerates. This in effect can mask the impact of stutter as the frame times have less of a chance of spiking above the 40ms mark. As I already said, this was entirely my fault for not keeping up to date on the games being tested and it won't happen again.

As for the acoustics, I can't really comment about that due to the fact that I wasn't testing custom HD 7970 GHz Editions. Granted, there are several other options out there which allow for a lower acoustical footprint but for the purposes of the review, I was comparing reference designs to reference designs.
Edited by SKYMTL - 3/14/13 at 3:37pm
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