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Originally Posted by Kuivamaa View Post

This is how the graphs can be read. These are ms latencies, not raw frames-if it is below it is better. The smoothness takes a nose dive when it spikes high up.

I know what the graphs are, and I know how you are reading them.

I'm saying that I disagree with your conclusions.

In my experience, when one frame has extremely low latency, and the next has high latency, games look and feel worse than if each frame had the consistently higher latency. At worst it's a pervasive jerkiness, at best it's massive tearing as small parts of frames are constantly evident in high motion scenes.
Edited by Blameless - 3/17/13 at 12:18pm
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Truth hurts doesn't it?

I was a bit suspicious when the first few frame time reviews came out and thought may be the problem was overblown...but all the reviews I've read up to now all seem to support the same conclusion (SLI doesn't give smooth gameplay at times...but CFX is worse). Personally, FarCry 3 ran like ass on my SLI setup....never seen stutter that bad.
you mean like the biggest and mots hardware intensive title from the past 12 months...may be Minecraft is better suited.

What's the matter...I thought AMD is delivering superb and timely drivers these days?

Again sir.... Dual card setups stutter and been happening for years.

However it is now being said that it happens to single cards, which I never experience.

Also fixing the said latency problems does not lower fps, so disregarding a cards lead in fps because of latency is mute.

Yes I heard far cry is the worst.
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I know what the graphs are, and I know how you are reading them.

I'm saying that I disagree with your conclusions.

I know what you try to say.What you forget is that this is a comparison-the Titan on the particular graphs has higher latency-plain and simple.If your experience with CF will be bad,it will be worse on the titan.
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However it is now being said that it happens to single cards, which I never experience.

I don't think I've experienced it in single card configurations either (at least not in recent memory), but then again, I haven't played much of the games that are supposed to be the prime culprits of this (Skyrim et al).
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I know what you try to say.What you forget is that this is a comparison-the Titan on the particular graphs has higher latency-plain and simple.If your experience with CF will be bad,it will be worse on the titan.

I disagree.

There are games where my frame latencies are consistently worse with a single one of my 6950s than with both of them in crossfire, where the game is perceptibly less smooth in crossfire.
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I don't think I've experienced it in single card configurations either (at least not in recent memory), but then again, I haven't played much of the games that are supposed to be the prime culprits of this (Skyrim et al).
I disagree.

There are games where my frame latencies are consistently worse with a single one of my 6950s than with both of them in crossfire, where the game is perceptibly less smooth in crossfire.

Then you pretty much disagree with the whole ms concept and the whole method. Fair enough.
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600 bucks gets me a solid 7950 CF that beats out the Titan and I would have 400 bucks left in my pocket to buy games or hwatever else I want. That is the decision I would make if I was looking for a new and high end solution at the moment. 1000 bucks for a video card that doesn't perform as well as a 600 dollar solution? PLEASE
Then why people buy higher end single card like 7950 and 7970, when they can get 7850 for less with better performance?
one single gpu is the best.
I got the point that the titan is very expensive, but other 2 GPU solution are not always the best choice...
If titan would be 700-800 $ , it would worth it.
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Then why people buy higher end single card like 7950 and 7970, when they can get 7850 for less with better performance?
one single gpu is the best.
I got the point that the titan is very expensive, but other 2 GPU solution are not always the best choice...
If titan would be 700-800 $ , it would worth it.

That in bold I think is what most people are saying.

EDIT:

7850s are weak and wont be much faster than a 7970. dual 7950s handily whips titan for $500 less.

two 7850 cost $300 - $400. A 7970 cost $360- $500.

See the big difference now?
Edited by bencher - 3/17/13 at 12:34pm
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Then you pretty much disagree with the whole ms concept and the whole method. Fair enough.

Frame latencies aren't a concept. It's a fact that it takes time to render a frame.

Nor do I disagree that measuring frame times produces more useful data that just listing frame rates that have been averaged out over arbitrarily longer periods of time.

I am saying that there is more to it than simply drawing a line across the highest frame times (ignoring the ~1% spikes) in a graph to compare the experience you get. This is a good start, but the amplitude of the graph matters as well.
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Frame latencies aren't a concept. It's a fact that it takes time to render a frame.

Nor do I disagree that measuring frame times produces more useful data that just listing frame rates that have been averaged out over arbitrarily longer periods of time.

I am saying that there is more to it than simply drawing a line across the highest frame times in a graph to compare the experience you get. This is a good start, but the amplitude of the graph matters as well.

As I said ,fair enough. You state your experience that contradicts this new method and you may be right. As for the amplitude,a supposed perfect low latency thin line of crappy frames will be a slideshow regardless.A thick one ranging between medium to high will be better.
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As I said ,fair enough. You state your experience that contradicts this new method and you may be right. As for the amplitude,a supposed perfect low latency thin line of crappy frames will be a slideshow regardless.A thick one ranging between medium to high will be better.

I think what Blameless is trying to explain is that higher Frame Latency times that are consistent will give a smoother gaming experience than lower spiky Frame Latency times.
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Phenom II X4 965BE  Sapphire 790X Zotac GTX650  4GB Corsair 1066 DDR2 (1GBx4) 
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G.Skill Phoenix Pro 120GB WD 2TB Green Stock 3x120mm UQ fans 
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W7 Pro SP1 x64 LG 21' 1680x1050 Genius  Corsair CX600 
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Gigabyte  E-Blue Mazer XFX WarPad On-board 
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Logitech G35 
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