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Depending on the resolution, 2 Titans are faster than 2x 690's wink.gif





@1600p the 690's are slightly ahead.


Can we stop posting these? This is a very poor metric to go by, especially for cfx. What is the average of 1 and 50? What is the average of 5 and 50? Well, since both 1 and 5 fps is unplayable , it makes it a moot point, but the 0 and 50 average with be perceived as "worse".

There is a reason no other site does this. Any 5th grader can explain why.

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I don't think anyone is arguing about which is fastest, that's my whole point.

Also, just because someone chooses 7970 cfx over a titan doesn't mean they are just value buyers. I would have jumped all over the titans had they truly been worth $1000 to me. But alas, they are not in my eyes.

Remember, the 7970 cfx only became a true "good value" when the Titan came out. So in all honesty, the titan brought it upon itself to be compared to it.

I think it is reasonably fair to compare 2 7970s to 1 titan or 3 7970s to 2 titans. You are looking at a relatively close performance matchup (interms of raw output). Because of this, it is only natural to compare pricing, and the Titan compares poorly because of this.

Comparing a titan vs 7970 is fine, but it will always lead to "is 30% more performance (stock for stock) worth $625?". To some, it doesn't matter, they want the best and that is final. Nothing wrong with that. Some people will weigh the options and choose the 2 7970s for the price/performance ratio. Nothing wrong with that as well.

The comparison really isn't fair b/c it doesn't compete 1 on 1 or at all. The 7970 competes with the 680 in both performance and price. The Titan is alone all by itself (debatable that it's against a 690/7990, but that's only in 1 or 2 pcie slot situations). The target audience is someone with deep pockets that wants the most power per pcie slot. Same thing happened years ago with the 8800 Ultra. It was a very small gain in performance for a $200+ leap over every other card on the market. If an individual only has one pcie slot to populate and no budget on the build why wouldn't he pick a 690, titan, or 7990? Same with more slots so long as the person is filling up every slot.

A person that shells out for multiple titans generally doesn't even have the 7970 or 680 on his/her radar. It's another tier of card. Think of it as the difference between those that get the 3930k and 3960X. The 3930k was likely never an option.
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Can we stop posting these? This is a very poor metric to go by, especially for cfx. What is the average of 1 and 50? What is the average of 5 and 50? Well, since both 1 and 5 fps is unplayable , it makes it a moot point, but the 0 and 50 average with be perceived as "worse".

There is a reason no other site does this. Any 5th grader can explain why.

(This is for both and and nvidia)
there is nothing in those graphs about frames per second; they show the general performance differences based on a single TITAN when compared to other set ups.

and yes i passed 5th grade math 35 years ago.
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Can we stop posting these? This is a very poor metric to go by, especially for cfx. What is the average of 1 and 50? What is the average of 5 and 50? Well, since both 1 and 5 fps is unplayable , it makes it a moot point, but the 0 and 50 average with be perceived as "worse".

There is a reason no other site does this. Any 5th grader can explain why.

(This is for both and and nvidia)

People will stop posting these, when people like yourself stop talking about Price / Performance.

There's nothing wrong with those charts to support what was said.

It was to show 2 Titans vs 2x 690's, or $2000 vs $2000. rolleyes.gif
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People will stop posting these, when people like yourself stop talking about Price / Performance.

There's nothing wrong with those charts to support what was said.

It was to show 2 Titans vs 2x 690's, or $2000 vs $2000. rolleyes.gif

The point isn't about what they are used for and has nothing to do with being a counter point to price debates.

As I said, for all intensive purposes, these charts are meaningless, even for a 2 titan vs 2 690. The data has holes and is not a true measure of how something performs.

So you can try to twist this into a amd vs nvidia thing by bolding what you used them for, but the fact of the matter is that these shouldn't be used for anything other than a very rough estimate.
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The point isn't about what they are used for and has nothing to do with being a counter point to price debates.

As I said, for all intensive purposes, these charts are meaningless, even for a 2 titan vs 2 690. The data has holes and is not a true measure of how something performs.

So you can try to twist this into a amd vs nvidia thing by bolding what you used them for, but the fact of the matter is that these shouldn't be used for anything other than a very rough estimate.

I think you mean intents and purposes, not intensive purposes.

And I don't think they ever are used for more than a rough estimate. That's the entire purpose of those graphs, is it not?


Regarding the article, I'd probably get a Titan over an SLI/Xfire setup, I just don't think multi-card setups are worth the hassle.
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What's the deal lately with all the multi-card setup bashing? I've been running multi-card setups for so many years now and the experience has been nothing but stellar. I've never seen any of these supposed issues with stuttering, frame drops, and whatnot. I'm not trying to say that there aren't any of these issues, but what I am wondering about is why is everyone talking about this like it happens all the time and multi-card setups are useless?

The way I see it, it's the best way to get top notch performance and not spend a fortune on insanely overpriced GPUs, like the Titans, as impressive as they may be.
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Why so much arguing over what is and isn't a fair comparison. Let's just say that a single Titan was actually faster than SLI 680's/CFX 7970's. Would that be a fair comparison? I'm sure there would be a bunch of people that would love to point that out every chance they get.
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The point isn't about what they are used for and has nothing to do with being a counter point to price debates.

As I said, for all intensive purposes, these charts are meaningless, even for a 2 titan vs 2 690. The data has holes and is not a true measure of how something performs.

So you can try to twist this into a amd vs nvidia thing by bolding what you used them for, but the fact of the matter is that these shouldn't be used for anything other than a very rough estimate.
Dude, I really was only talking about Titan SLI vs 2x 690's.

The CFX results are clearly messed up. There aren't many other review sites that have Titan SLI vs 2x 690's that break down the percentages like that.

Titan has got to be one of the most controversial GPU's of all time.
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