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post #181 of 205
3/22/13 at 1:44am
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These things benefit nicely from hardware volt modding:

1400MHz on air drool.gif



Did you do the volt mod? It showed that it was set @ 1252MHz....but benching showed it @ 1396MHz....was that because of the boost function or am I missing something?


Either way......sad-smiley-002.gif.......I want one of those.
Edited by eXXon - 3/22/13 at 1:46am
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3/22/13 at 3:27am
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What's the deal lately with all the multi-card setup bashing? I've been running multi-card setups for so many years now and the experience has been nothing but stellar. I've never seen any of these supposed issues with stuttering, frame drops, and whatnot. I'm not trying to say that there aren't any of these issues, but what I am wondering about is why is everyone talking about this like it happens all the time and multi-card setups are useless?

The way I see it, it's the best way to get top notch performance and not spend a fortune on insanely overpriced GPUs, like the Titans, as impressive as they may be.

Perhaps you are one of the lucky ones who isn't sensitive to stutter. A lot of us aren't so lucky.

Skyrim for instance on my 7970 was a stutterfest up until 13.2 drivers. Before buying the 7970, I didn't hear of anyone talking about how bad Skyrim was. But those people didn't go from a 670 to a 7970. Within literally 30 seconds of starting the game on the 7970, I was wondering what the heck was going on as nothing was smooth. I tried multiple drivers etc with no result. Radeonpro got the stutter down to livable though.

Then 13.2 drivers came out claiming to fix the issue and it came very close to doing that. It was then very playable without Radeonpro but it still had it's moments.

But the point is for a lot of people, you don't know that something isn't working well until you experience it working well somewhere else.
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post #183 of 205
3/22/13 at 4:23am
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Did you do the volt mod? It showed that it was set @ 1252MHz....but benching showed it @ 1396MHz....was that because of the boost function or am I missing something?


Either way......sad-smiley-002.gif.......I want one of those.

I haven't modded yet, I'll be doing it when I put mine on water, don't really want to risk it on air.

And yes you'll see a lower frequency in GPU-Z than what the card is actually running at. If one were to check the real time monitoring of GPU-Z it would also show 1396mhz
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3/22/13 at 4:41am
I can easily see the reason for the upgrade - but not from 7970 XFire really. It's the same thing as it is with almost every generational release (at least the decent ones). Titan will have much more performance down the road as the drivers mature and will do reasonably well now if you're in the income bracket it's price commands - which for all intents and purposes is the exact same as someone getting two 7970's right now, give or take a couple hundred. (This is especially the case if you're running a ~600W PSU as you'll need an upgrade along with the two cards.)

If I were building a system today, I'd definitely throw a Titan in it (or throw a really cheap GPU in and wait to see what AMD responds with, and how performance is after 2-3 driver releases from NV are made). On the other hand, I'm not going to throw my 7970s up on ebay tomorrow in pursuit of a better microstudder result and slightly less heat and power usage.
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3/22/13 at 12:55pm
The only thing I can add to the discussion is that I have tried AMD crossfire twice, with 7970's and 6950's. Both times I had huge stability issues. I didn't notice any micro-stutter, maybe because I use vsync, but I was constantly crashing in games.

I haven't tried SLI yet, but avoiding dual gpu associated problems mean that I would buy a Titan before I get another 680.
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post #186 of 205
3/22/13 at 1:02pm
I used to have two 6970s and I can't say I had many problems. Maybe I'm just not stutter-sensitive. smile.gif

Sold them together when I got my side monitor since CFX only works in full screen (btw any plans to change that, AMD?).

I'm definitely going for a single card next build (as soon as something worth playing is out). thumb.gif
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3/22/13 at 1:11pm
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What's the deal lately with all the multi-card setup bashing? I've been running multi-card setups for so many years now and the experience has been nothing but stellar. I've never seen any of these supposed issues with stuttering, frame drops, and whatnot. I'm not trying to say that there aren't any of these issues, but what I am wondering about is why is everyone talking about this like it happens all the time and multi-card setups are useless?

The way I see it, it's the best way to get top notch performance and not spend a fortune on insanely overpriced GPUs, like the Titans, as impressive as they may be.
Perhaps you are one of the lucky ones who isn't sensitive to stutter. A lot of us aren't so lucky.

Skyrim for instance on my 7970 was a stutterfest up until 13.2 drivers. Before buying the 7970, I didn't hear of anyone talking about how bad Skyrim was. But those people didn't go from a 670 to a 7970. Within literally 30 seconds of starting the game on the 7970, I was wondering what the heck was going on as nothing was smooth. I tried multiple drivers etc with no result. Radeonpro got the stutter down to livable though.

Then 13.2 drivers came out claiming to fix the issue and it came very close to doing that. It was then very playable without Radeonpro but it still had it's moments.

But the point is for a lot of people, you don't know that something isn't working well until you experience it working well somewhere else.

I'm with dejanh on this. Like I said in an earlier post IMO the stuttering issues have been blown way out of proportions. I ran two 4890's for years before upgrading to a GTX 670. Yes I had some issues here and there but more often scaling issues the smoothness issue. And I can quite easily tell the differences between 50 and 60 FPS even with a single card so its not like I can't tell if there is stutter. In almost all cases I rather have 45 FPS with two cards then 35 FPS with one card if you get what I'm saying.

I will say that one probable reason why I have had a good experience with crossfire is that I buy a lot of my games on Steam sales well after initial release. People that buy games at launch day and play though them in the following two weeks are bound to have a much worse experience as it many times takes a patch or a new driver to get multi gpu setups working right.
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3/22/13 at 1:35pm
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Terrible excuse, all their games save for Dirt (the only game AMD does well on) are popular and highly rated. The worst thing about this is 4/6 of those games are Gaming Evolved LOL. Farcry 3, Crysis 3 and Hitman came bundled with AMD cards for goodness sake.
55.84/39.58 = ~41 faster FPS for the 7970s in Xfire.

How are you getting 41%?

55.8/(39.5*100) = (70.9 - 100) = 29%
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3/22/13 at 1:50pm
I've went from a single 470 to SLI 470's to a single 7950 to CFX 7950's and IMO all the multicard horror stories are blown out of proportion.Of course you occasionally run across a game that has issues but I've never found myself longing for a single gpu setup or regretting buying that second card.
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I've went from a single 470 to SLI 470's to a single 7950 to CFX 7950's and IMO all the multicard horror stories are blown out of proportion.Of course you occasionally run across a game that has issues but I've never found myself longing for a single gpu setup or regretting buying that second card.

Yeah, I'm the same way - but then again I can't always tell if the game is just going sideways on me or the hardware... I did 460 to 460SLI to 7970 to CFX 7970's and didn't notice a huge change in studder or tearing - but then again I don't play FPS the way I used to about 10 years ago (wow that makes me sad sort of). All I know is that GW2 runs like butter on my 30" Dell... and so did Borderlands2 for the few minutes I actually had to play with it.

One of these days before my rig is obsolete I should actually do something fun with it for a change. frown.gif
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