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You hear anything from AMD regarding when FC3/DX11/CFX will be fixed?

FC3 is the only game I play that is "broken" with CFX.
The only game where gameplay is noticeably different between SLI and CFX.

You ever do any blind testing, set up a platform and see if folks can pick out which HW is in use?

I don't think AMD has a quick fix for their issues in Far Cry 3. As has already been mentioned, it is a Gaming Evolved title So AMD had very early access to the game code. That really makes you wonder how it got to be this bad and still make it through whatever QA process is in place....

I haven't had a blind setup done......BUT, maybe that would be a cool addition from HWC for any LAN that OC.net wants to set up in the future. biggrin.gif
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Nice effort SKYMTL. Thanks for the review.

Single cards most of the time deliver less frametime than multi-gpu setups and this what this review shows.
AMD really need serious driver optimizations to fix all that lag, seeing those high and spiky frame-times is pretty disappointing.
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Yes Titan is a ripoff, owners have admitted it.
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Yes Titan is a ripoff, owners have admitted it.

So is every other card that retails for over $300.

So is a 30" monitor.

So is a Ferrari.

But that doesn't stop people from buying them and not giving a darn about "value". Kia buyers care about value. Ferrari buyers go home with a new supermodel every night.

It's all about "priorities".
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Considering the recent news about "Short Frames" and getting totally false representations of actual frames sent to your Monitor as apposed to what FRAPS says your card rendered, I totally call this a bogus benchmark & question it's validity for use anymore. rolleyes.gif
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They started out looking for stutter but then they found what you said, that a lot of frames have very short frame times. Those short frame time frames (in their measurement that is frames that are on screen for a very short time) are unnoticed by the user, and so don't really provide any useful info. If you discount those frames, since they are unnoticed, you get the result shown by this chart, which is that CrossFire isn't any faster than a single card since so many of the frames are 0ms frames. I think that is what they want to go back and do more testing on, and rightly so. They do need to provide more information on what exactly happens when you have those low frame time frames - does that information still get conveyed to the user somehow, or is it really unnoticed.

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What I read out of it, looking into their high speed hardware, which is designed to capture FULL Frames coming out of the GPU period. Not to be confused with what your monitor renders, or what your bad eyes see wink.gif

Those short frames of say 5 to 10 pixels are the "only thing" coming out of the GPU on that "FRAME" to the Monitor, and counted as a full frame. So your eyes would only see those 5 to 10 lines of pixels, for that frame. Of course at 60 FPS, your eyes cannot tell that a small percentage of frames were not full per se.

The Graph showed that "As Tested" CF 7970 had tons of short frames, so the reviewers threw them out. Enter controversy as they didn't say exactly the pixel height limit they drew the line at. they however did allude to those frame being extremely small compared to others.

The green line in the middle of the screenshot shows what we now call a "Short Frame" which we suspect, for years, has counted as a full frame in most measuring software etc...fraps etc... (Cannot wait to see how big benchmark companies respond to this).

So in the chart above, PCPer threw out Short Frames that looked like the green line in the picture below...



Here's the PCPer Source Part 1 Part 2 Part 3
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Thats a good point.
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Yes Titan is a ripoff, owners have admitted it.

Hilarious^

No other graphicz device ocfers the quickness of the Titan.

It is not a matter of how many frames u are pushing, but of how little of frames u are pushing. What video card drops out the least..? SLI is pointless when it constantly dips below average frames.

A single video card vs multi..? Price is not an issue, here.
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Hilarious^

No other graphicz device ocfers the quickness of the Titan.

It is not a matter of how many frames u are pushing, but of how little of frames u are pushing. What video card drops out the least..? SLI is pointless when it constantly dips below average frames.

A single video card vs multi..? Price is not an issue, here.

Very good point, a smoother game is better than high fps and dips. I hate it when you get a "hiccup" online, especially during action.
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The Titan is a superb card at a $700 price point!
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So is every other card that retails for over $300.

So is a 30" monitor.

So is a Ferrari.

But that doesn't stop people from buying them and not giving a darn about "value". Kia buyers care about value. Ferrari buyers go home with a new supermodel every night.

It's all about "priorities".

I know someone who owns a Ferrari and he goes home to his wife of 20 years and kids every night. Stereotypes do not apply here as well as most of life beyond TV. smile.gif
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Can someone give me an example of this amd stuttering everyone talks about? I was just playing bf3 and it looked fantastic. Maybe I just don't know what to look for.
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