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And the South Bridge does run hotter on the Asrocks... but, honestly... who cares. If you don't know what a SB is, you shouldn't be building PC's in my eyes, and certainly shouldn't be concerned with these somewhat more advanced issues.

The Southbridge is a 6W TDP chip and it doesn't have any temp sensor... I don't really get your point here tbh
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This is on the AMD motherboard camp, not the Intel boards. Asus and Asrock does well though tongue.gif Not so sure about MSI

ASRock's Intel motherboards are good when they don't cheap out on VRMs...
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The Southbridge is a 6W TDP chip and it doesn't have any temp sensor... I don't really get your point here tbh
ASRock's Intel motherboards are good when they don't cheap out on VRMs...

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to put a thermometer to the SB, and yes it is a 6W TDP.... which renders temperature gauging almost pointless, but never-the-less effects the overall temperatures on the board which results in very minimal differences, which was my original point.
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It doesn't take a rocket scientist to put a thermometer to the SB, and yes it is a 6W TDP.... which renders temperature gauging almost pointless, but never-the-less effects the overall temperatures on the board which results in very minimal differences, which was my original point.

I fail to see the connection between Southbridge and overclock-abilities of the motherboard.

Plus, it's 6W heatsinked it has second-to-no role on the thermal performance of the board.
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I fail to see the connection between Southbridge and overclock-abilities of the motherboard.

Plus, it's 6W heatsinked it has second-to-no role on the thermal performance of the board.

I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just saying that the OP obviously doesn't know all that much about what we're discussing, I was talking very loosely when I mentioned the Southbridge affecting temperatures, it was more of an example, not specific to the board in question nor to the previous discussion of overclocking ability. I'm also speaking from experience with Asrock boards, the Southbridge on my friends motherboard was exceptionally hot and had issues with overheating PCI slots too.

I think this was just a misunderstanding on both our parts, you thought I meant that particular board and in relation to overclocking, I can see how you read it like that. I can also see how you thought I meant even with a 6W TDP it will produce heat, these were separate statements, I should've put a full stop, many apologies. But, some boards do have very hot SB's and it can effect temperatures, especially whilst gaming which is what I was insinuating with "but never-the-less effects the overall temperatures on the board which results in very minimal differences", I also probably should've put "can" in there somewhere.

Anyway...

With these lower end boards, they all perform rather similarly, with very minute differences that the OP wouldn't notice even if he had, that is my entire "point", we could blind him with technological talk and it wouldn't make a direct difference to his purchase as he needs to do more homework to understand it all in general.

Again, apologies for the misunderstanding.

Also, this may clear it up too if you read it with the above in mind: http://www.overclock.net/t/1371169/build-a-good-pc-help/100_50#post_19562763
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Mine does. It's really odd that the IOH runs way cooler than the ICH even if the ICH has one big fat hidden flat heatpipe underneath it linking it to the VRM+IOH heatsinks
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Mine does. It's really odd that the IOH runs way cooler than the ICH even if the ICH has one big fat hidden flat heatpipe underneath it linking it to the VRM+IOH heatsinks
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I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just saying that the OP obviously doesn't know all that much about what we're discussing, I was talking very loosely when I mentioned the Southbridge affecting temperatures, it was more of an example, not specific to the board in question nor to the previous discussion of overclocking ability. I'm also speaking from experience with Asrock boards, the Southbridge on my friends motherboard was exceptionally hot and had issues with overheating PCI slots too.

I think this was just a misunderstanding on both our parts, you thought I meant that particular board and in relation to overclocking, I can see how you read it like that. I can also see how you thought I meant even with a 6W TDP it will produce heat, these were separate statements, I should've put a full stop, many apologies. But, some boards do have very hot SB's and it can effect temperatures, especially whilst gaming which is what I was insinuating with "but never-the-less effects the overall temperatures on the board which results in very minimal differences", I also probably should've put "can" in there somewhere.

Anyway...

With these lower end boards, they all perform rather similarly, with very minute differences that the OP wouldn't notice even if he had, that is my entire "point", we could blind him with technological talk and it wouldn't make a direct difference to his purchase as he needs to do more homework to understand it all in general.

Again, apologies for the misunderstanding.

Also, this may clear it up too if you read it with the above in mind: http://www.overclock.net/t/1371169/build-a-good-pc-help/100_50#post_19562763



It's sad not to know about tech details.... apparently, I know there are i3 cpus, quad cores, 6 cores and 8. I have used i3 and from my experience I know it is not the best cpu for streaming high end...pro.gms., it's obvious. But if I look to 12, 8, 6 cores, and went for quad core, why should I expect the max performance, overall...? I know a bit about cpus performance ( this is because, I know there is no way and i3 cpu which can not be overclock, can perform better in everything you through at it, than an 8- 12, cores over. I will not say I know all about technical... and spot out the i3 cpus that performs better than most intel 6 cores cpu, (even if there is then why should manufactures make new cpus, if the technical dude knows there are no difference between the two? The company will make lose through people who look into forums before shopping.... won't they?) but instead I know definitely the 6 core will be better than what ever the i3 might be, in the next couple of yrs. Games at the moment will not make use of all the 6 cores, so what is the point of buying 8 cores for now... aren't they gonna be cheaper when those games that make use of all 6 cores kick in?

Quad cores performance, and 8 core performance will be no difference if they are both running battlefield 3 ( when each cpu is overclocked). Therefore, there is no need getting more cores than 4, if the games does not use them, (maybe for people to show they have the best rigs), but the cores are gong to get much more cheaper won't they (by the time those pro and games that uses 8, 6 cores get in the, the recent 8 cores you bought for expensive will be cheaper on market). I will not judge you about your technical abilities... but in general I sometimes think this way. Let me make another example: other than a used item, a £1 product will never be better than the £5 one in England ( just like, a Pentium 2 cpu (cheap!) and an intel i5 (expensive) the i5 is the best in any modern games...) they only way the pentium 2 is going to match up the same performance as the intel is in games such as mario..mario!, therefore there is no point of buying the i5 for that mario game only, if you are not thinnking of the waiting for call of duty, and crysis, in the future. Even the i5 is going to be cheaper by then.... won't they... my whole point, again

Knowing about all the techs and spending £400, to build your rig... does not mean it will perform better than the non technical dude who has got 12 cores, HD 7970, 35GB RAM! ready. You might have saved some money, but that dude with 12 cores will be ready for anything for at least 15yrs from now ( we cant forecast the future, except for what the manufactures will be thinking of building in the next 5yrs- 20yrs, but what we know is that as long as current game and apps does not make use of all the more cores (6, over), the current cores should be cheaper by that time). I don't know about tech issues but this is how I sometimes think, for my self:). Therefore I know I will get exactly what I spent on my rig. I don't expect a high end rig, which will be adaptable for pro...games, for more than 20yrs, if I will spend only £400 on that rig. Just let me know the best ones for cheaper (because that is what my budget tells me) and stop talking about TDP's and SB's. Anyway I have started building the rig and I will let you know how it's going.
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Hold on. It's not "12 core" btw. It just isn't.
for a AMD 8350. It's clear, it's got less than half the IPC of a 3570k but it's got the clockspeed and the numbers of cores for it to match the 3570k in crysis 3
So yes GAMES do use 6 cores+
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I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just saying that the OP obviously doesn't know all that much about what we're discussing

That doesn't halt us from making suggestions, that's why he's here I think.
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I think this was just a misunderstanding on both our parts, you thought I meant that particular board and in relation to overclocking, I can see how you read it like that. I can also see how you thought I meant even with a 6W TDP it will produce heat, these were separate statements, I should've put a full stop, many apologies. But, some boards do have very hot SB's and it can effect temperatures, especially whilst gaming which is what I was insinuating with "but never-the-less effects the overall temperatures on the board which results in very minimal differences", I also probably should've put "can" in there somewhere.

Ok
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With these lower end boards, they all perform rather similarly, with very minute differences that the OP wouldn't notice even if he had

I'll have to disagree here, the Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3 is only like 5 bucks more expensive than the ASRock 970 Extreme3 yet it has far better VRM's and better build quality (yea people will keep saying that you spare money with ASRock wink.gif ).
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Hold on. It's not "12 core" btw. It just isn't.
for a AMD 8350. It's clear, it's got less than half the IPC of a 3570k but it's got the clockspeed and the numbers of cores for it to match the 3570k in crysis 3
So yes GAMES do use 6 cores+

What do you mean by this quote?

I was not saying AMD 8350 is 12 cores, its obvious that it is 8 cores.

I don't understand what you said up there but, quad core is the hi- performance requirements for the crysis 3, (crysis 3- cpus required (very max performance- fx 4150(quade, i7-2600k(quad)), try this site- (www.game-debate.com/games/index.php?g_id...Crysis%203).
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No NO! FX-4150? there isn't such a chip and it doesn't even match the 2500k by a far shot (FX4170)

And i was referring to your 12 cores as "6 core HT i7 3930k"
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AMD Ryzen 7 1700 ASRock X370 SLI Killer Zotac GTX1070 "FE" with ID Cooling Frostflow 240G Crucial BallistiX Sport LP 16GB 8x2GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Zotac SSD Premium 480GB OCZ Vector 180 480GB Hitachi 7K3000 3TB 7200rpm ID Cooling Frostflow 240L 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
ID Cooling Frostflow 240G Phanteks F140MP x2 CoolerMaster Silencio FP120 x2 Phanteks F140SP 
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Delta AFB1212SH x2 Dell U2713HM CM Storm MECH FSP Aurum PT 1200 
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Phanteks Enthoo Pro Logitech G102 Tesoro Aegis X3 Virtus.Pro AKG K7XX 
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Intel i7 6700k Gigabyte Z170X-UD5 Depends Depends 
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