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I'm pretty sure most of my blurays are 24bit and 96kHz so I'd rather not have to go and edit the config every time I want to watch one in XBMC. But...I think the difference between speex and the higher quality settings should be noticeable. And I thought that Pulse superseded ALSA on the audio handling....gah...sound in Linux is really a pain sometimes.

Would you agree that helping people setup at least the speaker configuration in the config would be very helpful in getting better out of Pulse?

Pulse will re-mix the audio if it isn't matching the config, however I don't know if ALSA will. Pulse doesn't tie directly to the hardware, it's a software mixer so it can't. It gets full control of ALSA, however ALSA still handles the streams going to/fro.

After some reading, apparently ALSA will re-mix the pcm stream to fit the card. So if you only have 24bit support, it will only play at that quality (obviously). From what I could gather, and it's hard finding out all the tid bits of ALSA. Man, you have to look all over the place, it won't change the stream unless the hardware cannot support the stream it gets. At least, from what I gather that's true? So we shouldn't have to worry so much about ALSA, might have to change sample rate to 48khz if you wanted to go that route (wasn't clear about sample rates and it is 4am).

What I would do is look up your chip, find it's stats and set accordingly. I'm guessing you can only do 48khz/24bit. Also, since you have onboard, you might want to check it's hardware mixing status. I do get hardware mixing out of my emu10k1, it doesn't change quality per se just adds latency.
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Pulse will re-mix the audio if it isn't matching the config, however I don't know if ALSA will. Pulse doesn't tie directly to the hardware, it's a software mixer so it can't. It gets full control of ALSA, however ALSA still handles the streams going to/fro.

After some reading, apparently ALSA will re-mix the pcm stream to fit the card. So if you only have 24bit support, it will only play at that quality (obviously). From what I could gather, and it's hard finding out all the tid bits of ALSA. Man, you have to look all over the place, it won't change the stream unless the hardware cannot support the stream it gets. At least, from what I gather that's true? So we shouldn't have to worry so much about ALSA, might have to change sample rate to 48khz if you wanted to go that route (wasn't clear about sample rates and it is 4am).

What I would do is look up your chip, find it's stats and set accordingly. I'm guessing you can only do 48khz/24bit. Also, since you have onboard, you might want to check it's hardware mixing status. I do get hardware mixing out of my emu10k1, it doesn't change quality per se just adds latency.

Yeah...I'm definitely going to need the summer to investigate this more. From the limited things I've read my onboard VIA is fine up to 24bit/96kHz but I haven't dug into it too deep and I'm still more concerned with having ALSA and Pulsesetup better. All I know is that at the very least people should fix the default speaker configuration and the default resample methods. I haven't seen anything that contradicts those things yet (waits for Plan9 to prove me stupid again tongue.gif).

PS: Since I'd like to get a kind of "best audio configs/info for Linux" thing going if anyone has OSS4, or ALSA configs they'd like to share and explain that would be greatly appreciated. I might roll that into another thread but if you guys want to go make articles as well out of it that's cool.
     
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This is the only reason I uninstalled my install of ubuntu, because of the low quality sound. If you can work on a simple guide for improving it, I'm all or it. smile.gif
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This is the only reason I uninstalled my install of ubuntu, because of the low quality sound. If you can work on a simple guide for improving it, I'm all or it. smile.gif

Well you can try out the guide I have posted in the first post of this thread. That should garner you the most gains in audio quality. I'm testing out some latency reduction configs though the only one that I have seen that has a lot of support is changing default-fragment-size-msec from 10 to as small as you can get without clipping or other artifacts. Currently, Flash seems to be very upset with my changes to the kHz settings and to the msec settings along with still dying and needing the media stream restarted when there are other programs that make sound. So far it seems to be the only program that is a problem. But I need other people to test and confirm this is not just a problem with my configuration or hardware.


Again. I'm also really hoping that people provide ALSA or OSS4 or JACK (?) configs/guides as I think we should just stop trash talking each implementation and just make it as easy for the end user to try them out themselves. I'd love to try them all out myself during the summer maybe.
     
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Yeah I tried to figure out how to get jack to work but all the guides were about using it with studio instruments for recording and then I tried to use OSS4 and couldn't even set that up, and then I was able to just use plain alsa with no middleman of pulse audio, but turning up audio didn't show in the unity gui.
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Yeah I tried to figure out how to get jack to work but all the guides were about using it with studio instruments for recording and then I tried to use OSS4 and couldn't even set that up, and then I was able to just use plain alsa with no middleman of pulse audio, but turning up audio didn't show in the unity gui.

Honestly, I find alsamixer in terminal more useful if I'm just using ALSA. Even with Pulse it can be useful as sometimes pulse would start things up beyond 0dB which is bad.
     
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Honestly, I find alsamixer in terminal more useful if I'm just using ALSA. Even with Pulse it can be useful as sometimes pulse would start things up beyond 0dB which is bad.

I agree, however alsamixergui is my preference. I can definitely say Pulse will start with settings too loud, every restart I'm on my volume button pressing the - button. =( EVERY restart.
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I agree, however alsamixergui is my preference. I can definitely say Pulse will start with settings too loud, every restart I'm on my volume button pressing the - button. =( EVERY restart.

Weird...your settings should be preserved after that first time. Does alsactl -store (I think that's the command) not work?
     
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Weird...your settings should be preserved after that first time. Does alsactl -store (I think that's the command) not work?

I haven't bothered with it, since it's never 100%. I could also just adjust my headphones and deal with it, however they are finicky and old so the volume dial on them blows. Thought about just hard wiring the things and removing the volume dial, too much work atm. lol

It is weird and is only a recent thing, might be a bug in Fedora not sure. =S
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I haven't bothered with it, since it's never 100%. I could also just adjust my headphones and deal with it, however they are finicky and old so the volume dial on them blows. Thought about just hard wiring the things and removing the volume dial, too much work atm. lol

It is weird and is only a recent thing, might be a bug in Fedora not sure. =S

Well as long as it doesn't set anything past 0dB (assuming it's correctly relaying info from your card) then you should be clear of clipping or distortion.
     
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