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More worried about my ears! lol
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Well...I officially hate flash even more now. Flash seems to just hate any tampering with things beyond the default config. Stupid thing. Fortunately, the XBMC youtube addon avoids this problem. Stupid stupid flash.

I'll add the latency suggestions for the config at a later date if anyone is interested. Just PM or post here if you haven't found them yet.
     
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Bump as I'm going to try updating and correcting (I think there's a few areas of conflicting info on pulse) some of the basics for the pulsedaemon.conf and also see if the supposed "perfect pulse" config that I found from following some links from the Arch wiki is as good as it claims. I hope someone can check my stuff as I'm not the pro here but I just wanted to get the best sound I could out of something that is installed by default for me and is pretty common.

If anyone wants to contribute in any way with this that would be greatly appreciated.

EDIT: pulsedaemon.conf has been corrected. Hopefully, I'll earn my way out of the dunce cap for the earlier inaccuracy. Time to check out the "perfect pulse" config.
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The perfect Pulse config is the one that resamples to the optimal sample rate of your card. You can't convert a 16-bit stream to a 32-bit stream - all the bit rate does is increase the noise floor - which is already at a whopping 96 dB at 16-bit. The human ear can usually only perceive up to around 20 kHz - but because of the Nyquist frequency, you will only receive half of what the sample rate actually is - so for 44kHz, you can receive 22kHz audio.

Some will argue that you can "feel" the higher tones beyond your normal hearing, which I am inclined to believe, but again, if your sound card only supports 44kHz as the highest sample rate, and you upsample beyond the capabilities, you will not get a higher bandwidth, but you will definitely experience distortion.
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The perfect Pulse config should be the one that passes the source PCM signal to the ALSA sink without doing anything else to it.
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The perfect Pulse config is the one that resamples to the optimal sample rate of your card. You can't convert a 16-bit stream to a 32-bit stream - all the bit rate does is increase the noise floor - which is already at a whopping 96 dB at 16-bit. The human ear can usually only perceive up to around 20 kHz - but because of the Nyquist frequency, you will only receive half of what the sample rate actually is - so for 44kHz, you can receive 22kHz audio.

Some will argue that you can "feel" the higher tones beyond your normal hearing, which I am inclined to believe, but again, if your sound card only supports 44kHz as the highest sample rate, and you upsample beyond the capabilities, you will not get a higher bandwidth, but you will definitely experience distortion.

OK...I deliberately avoided the sample rate because I was aware of that issue. However, are you saying that changing the bit depth will produce distortion as well? All the configurations I've seen so far recommend seemingly regardless of setup changing to any of the float settings for default sample format. Most use 32. Are you saying this basically is the same as trying to convert a 320kbps mp3 source into a 24bit 96kHz format? I understand that is pointless and a bad idea (because 320kbps mp3 is extremely lossy) but I hadn't heard anything against increasing the bit depth options. I'm quite ignorant on that issue so if I'm wrong I'd like to be told and then I can fix the mistake.

Anything else wrong with the config in the first post? redface.gif


EDIT: Well, I'm going to post a link to the file that seems to be the only one to claim being "perfect pulse".
http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/PulseAudio/Documentation/User/PerfectSetup/pulseaudio-patch.patch

Hopefully, better minds can tell me if it's good or not.
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OK...I deliberately avoided the sample rate because I was aware of that issue. However, are you saying that changing the bit depth will produce distortion as well? All the configurations I've seen so far recommend seemingly regardless of setup changing to any of the float settings for default sample format. Most use 32. Are you saying this basically is the same as trying to convert a 320kbps mp3 source into a 24bit 96kHz format? I understand that is pointless and a bad idea (because 320kbps mp3 is extremely lossy) but I hadn't heard anything against increasing the bit depth options. I'm quite ignorant on that issue so if I'm wrong I'd like to be told and then I can fix the mistake.

Anything else wrong with the config in the first post? redface.gif


EDIT: Well, I'm going to post a link to the file that seems to be the only one to claim being "perfect pulse".
http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/PulseAudio/Documentation/User/PerfectSetup/pulseaudio-patch.patch

Hopefully, better minds can tell me if it's good or not.

I did discuss this a couple of pages back:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1371270/have-pulseaudio-installed-want-the-best-sound-you-can-get-with-it-try-this/10#post_19604934

Also, you're mixing terminology:
Quote:
Are you saying this basically is the same as trying to convert a 320kbps mp3 source into a 24bit 96kHz format?
Bit-rate it a pretty meaningless gauge is it's the throughput of the data rather than the range and granularity of the supported frequencies. In laymans terms, the bit depth and frequency range will tell you the detail in the music, the bit-rate only tells you how much digital data is required to store 1 second of audio. So is as much dependent on the codec used as it is on the detail supported.
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is required to store 1 second of audio.

1 sample would be more accurate, but nonetheless smile.gif

Increasing the bit depth does not cause distortion. It just simply does nothing if you're already using a 16-bit file - 16-bit audio has a SNR of 96 dB, while 24-bit has a theoretical maximum of 144dB, although even the best gear does not support more than 21-bit (even though that is a detail).
Think audio as the weakest link in the chain having the biggest impact. Sure I can have $5000 headphones, but if I use my old Walkman from the 80's with the broken headphone jack, it's not going to suddenly sound pleasant because I have better headphones.
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Bit rate just defines the data stored per sample. Whether or not the sample even requires that amount. Hence why VBR works so well, you could have a 41khz sample rate but at any given time that track may or may not require a certain bit rate. Bit rate defines the amount of data per sample. Digital audio is defined in clips, samples.

Not posted towards the two who know this. =P
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I don't know why this audio stuff doesn't make sense to me but wth.gif

OK. So does setting the bit depth to the max the card can handle or 32 hurt at all? And why would there be a 32bit depth option if there aren't cards that can handle it? And yes...I know I kind of mixed bit-depth with bit-rate and I know there's a difference but don't ask me to explain it as that's as far as I get. I was using the example more to illustrate a unwise endeavor (which converting MP3 to 24bit is).

Focus time as I think I've been asking bad questions that have just confused me more...should I instead just highlight in the config that one should use the highest float-# that their card supports? Should they bother changing either the default or alternate sample rates (which I didn't mention) to the highest their card supports? Is there a command that would tell them about the max of both bit depth and sample rate supported by their cards? What about latency? I cut it down to 1 from the default 5 or 8.

Basically, I want to make it so that people can get the best out of Pulse if they choose to stick with it so it's not the "limiting" factor for an enjoying audio out of their computer.
     
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