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My 720 X3 in my HTPC has been a great CPU.
Still a potent little gamer.
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That's a terrible benchmark (not to mention Crysis3 is one of the few games where AMD is close to Intel). A stock benchmark is quite useless. Not to mention you are looking at a 40% overclock on Intel vs 25% on FX when you get both to ~5ghz, at which point Intel will be way ahead of FX.

You are actually wrong.

BF3 aftermath 64 players (heavy cpu load):

i7-3770k -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ch0mR4Evu8I
FX-8350-> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFcMRtq1zGo

Check the frequencies. FX has hit its thermal limit and functions at 4Ghz on all cores-won't turbo at all. Ivy is quite thermally comfortable at that cpu load and takes advantage of the superb intel turbo and functions at 3.7 Ghz. The FX on one core will do 4.2Ghz at best, i7 will do 3.9k. Their frequency delta while gaming is smaller than you think. The effective 20% gaming o/c for the FX will be 4.8, for 3770k you are looking at something like 4.45Ghz.
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Still calling BS. You are literally the only one out of dozens of people to go over 350w, even at 5Ghz. You'll forgive me if i consider 600w a lie.

@Belial: When you can actually find a new 980BE, THEN you can call on it for benchmarks. As it stands, the 965BE is the best you can get new, and if you're talking used, then you need to consider the price of FX used as well.

Why would I make that up? Do you want a video of me running IBT and showing you the kill-a-watt?
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Still calling BS. You are literally the only one out of dozens of people to go over 350w, even at 5Ghz. You'll forgive me if i consider 600w a lie.

@Belial: When you can actually find a new 980BE, THEN you can call on it for benchmarks. As it stands, the 965BE is the best you can get new, and if you're talking used, then you need to consider the price of FX used as well.

Why would I make that up? Do you want a video of me running IBT and showing you the kill-a-watt?

I don't know why you would, but you are obviously the only one, so yes, you're wrong.
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@Belial: When you can actually find a new 980BE, THEN you can call on it for benchmarks. As it stands, the 965BE is the best you can get new, and if you're talking used, then you need to consider the price of FX used as well.

I know it's hard to understand, but the 955 and 980 are actually both "Deneb", they are the exact same CPU. The only difference in the two is their stock configurations. When overclocked they both go to the same 4-4.2ghz (c3 revision, 955 has some c2's). 980 is a bit more accurate because it's closer to where these chips overclock to.

Oh I see. You want to get into overclocking.

Well then, find a Ph II that will match me when I'm running at 5.2Ghz, because that's my cap. On "just" water cooling no less. I also have a 970BE that runs at 4.3Ghz. My FX chip is faster, even at "only" 4.8, which is a standard OC for PD.

So how much experience do you have with Ph II and FX again? Because I run them both max-clocked side by side in the same room, both on 990FXA-UD3s.
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Sorry man, WoW is a bad example to pick and some other MMORPGs are similar in that regard. WoW is poorly optimized when it comes to number of threads, but it it's heavy cpu bound and will see great improvements using an i5 3570k OC'd over a pentium or anything with considerably lower IPC.

All games are poorly optimized, that's the point. Software and games are far, far, far behind hardware, you aren't going to see games take full advantage of the 8350 or i7 or even i5. It will definitely see great improvements with the i5 over the pentium, I never made a point to say that the pentium was amazing or anything.
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You are actually wrong.

BF3 aftermath 64 players (heavy cpu load):

i7-3770k -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ch0mR4Evu8I
FX-8350-> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFcMRtq1zGo

Check the frequencies. FX has hit its thermal limit and functions at 4Ghz on all cores-won't turbo at all. Ivy is quite thermally comfortable at that cpu load and takes advantage of the superb intel turbo and functions at 3.7 Ghz. The FX on one core will do 4.2Ghz at best, i7 will do 3.9k. Their frequency delta while gaming is smaller than you think. The effective 20% gaming o/c for the FX will be 4.8, for 3770k you are looking at something like 4.45Ghz.

2 different systems is not a comparison or benchmark, and I've already said that bf3 might be one of the few instances where FX has a leg to stand on vs Intel. And counting CPU load across all cores is useless, you need to count the load on the most used core as these games are not heavily multi-threaded, and IPC is what is most important (or really, GPU is what is most important).
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Well then, find a Ph II that will match me when I'm running at 5.2Ghz, because that's my cap. On "just" water cooling no less. I also have a 970BE that runs at 4.3Ghz. My FX chip is faster, even at "only" 4.8, which is a standard OC for PD.

So how much experience do you have with Ph II and FX again? Because I run them both max-clocked side by side in the same room, both on 990FXA-UD3s.

And? That's a pretty terrible value to pay $100 more for your FX chip over a Phenom II and $40+ for an AM3+ motherboard just for basically an increased overclock when it comes to gaming and single-threaded, general usage applications.
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2 different systems is not a comparison or benchmark, and I've already said that bf3 might be one of the few instances where FX has a leg to stand on vs Intel. And counting CPU load across all cores is useless, you need to count the load on the most used core as these games are not heavily multi-threaded, and IPC is what is most important (or really, GPU is what is most important)..

You started the frequency talk making claims based upon nominal frequencies and extrapolated those to overclocking performance. You totally forgot or haven't realized that turbo boost plays a role. That's all there is, you just argue for the sake of arguing now. We aren't discussing performance of the AMD,or what games play well where, or gpu usage or whatnot-the particular game in question shows us to what frequencies these processors operate while stressed-you won't find many games pushing multicore cpus harder than BF3@64. At torchling 2 single player (uses 1 thread) the i7-3770k would load one core at 3.9Ghz-the FX would do 4.1 or 4.2.
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Oh I see. You want to get into overclocking.

Well then, find a Ph II that will match me when I'm running at 5.2Ghz, because that's my cap. On "just" water cooling no less. I also have a 970BE that runs at 4.3Ghz. My FX chip is faster, even at "only" 4.8, which is a standard OC for PD.

So how much experience do you have with Ph II and FX again? Because I run them both max-clocked side by side in the same room, both on 990FXA-UD3s.

And? That's a pretty terrible value to pay $100 more for your FX chip over a Phenom II and $40+ for an AM3+ motherboard just for basically an increased overclock when it comes to gaming and single-threaded, general usage applications.

Right, so since you would have to buy a motherboard for the Ph II as well, that's meaningless.

In single-thread applications, a 4300 will beat the Ph II both stock-for-stock, and OC-for-OC, meaning the Ph II is never faster in what you claim matters. It also has a lower TDP and can overclock father then the Ph II can on less cooling.

Not good enough value? Get Trinity on FM2, which also beats it across the board like the 4300 does AND you get a GPU on-die with it, AND it has a lower TDP.

Maybe you should actually take the advice of people who know the chips better then you do, huh?

Oh, and IPC is useless without Clockspeed. So ya.
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AMD's CPU's are perfectly fine. The whole "AMD is bad" nonsense began to surface at a ridiculous level when AMD released their over hyped Bulldozer and it was competing against Sandy Bridge which absolutely obliterated it. The nonsense carried over to Piledriver because it's Bulldozer based, however Piledriver was a huge improvement over Bulldozer.

The FX-8350 is on par with the Core i5 3570K, AMD does not offer anything faster, but that doesn't make them bad.



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Right, so since you would have to buy a motherboard for the Ph II as well, that's meaningless.

In single-thread applications, a 4300 will beat the Ph II both stock-for-stock, and OC-for-OC, meaning the Ph II is never faster in what you claim matters. It also has a lower TDP and can overclock father then the Ph II can on less cooling.

Not good enough value? Get Trinity on FM2, which also beats it across the board like the 4300 does AND you get a GPU on-die with it, AND it has a lower TDP.

Maybe you should actually take the advice of people who know the chips better then you do, huh?

Oh, and IPC is useless without Clockspeed. So ya.

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The A10-5800K outperforms the Phenom II 965BE, consumes less power AND has the best iGPU available on the market integrated into it. Don't forget the Richland APU's are being released in 3 days thumb.gif and the A10-6800K is likely to be at a $130 price point and outperform the 980BE.

I honestly don't understand why people are paying so much for the Phenom II's as they are. Sure, they where absolutely great processors, I happened to own an X3 720 and X4 955, but they're beaten out by AMD's and Intel's low-end now.
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In single-thread applications, a 4300 will beat the Ph II both stock-for-stock, and OC-for-OC, meaning the Ph II is never faster in what you claim matters. It also has a lower TDP and can overclock father then the Ph II can on less cooling.
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I dont think so, but you are comparing one phenom x4 and a Fx 4300, so I dont know for sure.

Here we made some comparisons between x6 and FX 6300 (it was a 8350 with two modules disabled), both with OC, the result is that a 6300 must have between 600 and 700 MHz more to match.
When you have a Phenom to 4ghz or more, for a PD is not as easy to overcome that.
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In single-thread applications, a 4300 will beat the Ph II both stock-for-stock, and OC-for-OC, meaning the Ph II is never faster in what you claim matters. It also has a lower TDP and can overclock father then the Ph II can on less cooling.
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I dont think so, but you are comparing one phenom x4 and a Fx 4300, so I dont know for sure.

Here we made some comparisons between x6 and FX 6300 (it was a 8350 with two modules disabled), both with OC, the result is that a 6300 must have between 600 and 700 MHz more to match.
When you have a Phenom to 4ghz or more, for a PD is not as easy to overcome that.

Single-thread you only need ~400Mhz more, which is extremely easy. Multi-thread may need 700Mhz, but Multi-threaded things can and will use AVX, SSE4, etc which will give PD the advantage.

Not going to argue that Thuban is still good (it's great), but this guy is arguing Deneb.
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