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Hehehe. I think you'd have to go back quite a few more years than that. To probably before AMD had the first stable production 1ghz cpu before Intel did with the buggy Pentium III core. Reread the STABLE part. Anyway before that Intel consistantly blew away the offerings from AMD.

But what really rankles me to this day and is the main reason I run AMD and only AMD is that around 1998-2002 Intel played a dirty underhanded game wherein they pressured motherboard makers to avoid making AMD boards or chipsets for AMD cpu's. Now cycle ahead a few years and AMD comes out with the 64 bit chip with an extended Intel instruction set and WHAM a lawsuit from Intel that forced AMD to cross license the 64bit instructions for way less than it was worth so as to avoid lengthy litigation with Intel. For years they pressured computer manufacturers to avoid AMD offerings by promising pricing reprisals if a company dared to offer AMD powered PC's. Intel is a dirty player and highly dishonest. Whenever AMD has appeared to best Intel Intel has used lawyers or underhanded tactics to re-level the playing field. Intel's prices are inflated for the performance you get. AMD just gives you more bang for the buck. I will never ever, unless AMD goes under, run an Intel cpu or chipset.

I've been on this site for years and let me tell you, there's never been this much AMD vs Intel non-sense until recently.

Back in the Phenom II days there wasn't nearly this much non-sense being spouted around. If you wanted the best, you got the Core i7 920/X58, if you wanted something affordable and powerful, you either got a Phenom II X4 or Core 2 Duo. It's just as simple now, but people argue much more now.

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Originally Posted by princeamd View Post

Are AMD CPUs really THAT bad as people say? Simple answer "YES".

Let me elaborate, I am an insane amd fanboy since year 2000, I've played with the Durons, Althon XPs, the 754 socket Athlon 64, the socket 939 Athlon 64 x2..., in all this time i have fixed many systems with AMD and Intel cpu, at the time i could see no reason why one would spend money on a P4, total crap, well i can say total crap because I never used one for more than a day or 2, but in any case it was not as fast and fun as my AMD Cpus, back in 2008 i decided it was time to go RageAngry and get a killer AMD system, so i emptied my pocket out on the Phenom II and a sweet XFX ATI 5770, the union was like true love to me, at this same time most of my other friends were bragging about Intel C2D, C2Q, anyhow I could care less I am the AMD fanboy, I had nothing to do at that time but just download games and play every day, the first month it did not hit me so much, I did not notice the bill, the second month it came to my attention, that god damn Phenom 125Watts & ATI 5770 union was a power hungry SOB... but why?, why did it use so much power?, there is so much reasons for that, but I can tell you one thing TODAY, If you are a responsible person and you care about your bills and how you spend money, you would avoid AMD like it was a god damn plague, the new AMD Buldozer/Piledriver i have seens the reviews benchmarks, yeah it looks good compare pretty nice againts and i5, but GUESS WHAT?? it uses almost 2x the power, 8 cores dont mean **** if it uses so much power and performs on an equal scale as a intel quad code system. Be responsible and get your self a damn Intel system. Even if you want to cheap out and buy AMD, you will pay for it my friend, you will pay each month for owning it! spend %25-40% more cash now, and not so much in the long run, in the end i am sure you are not buying the system for 2-3 months.

Geez that is a mouth full.


74W vs 125W equates to about $25 over three years. That's nothing. Considering the price of the FX-8350 and the price of a Core i5 3570k, you'll probably spend even less over time.
Edited by M3T4LM4N222 - 3/16/13 at 8:52pm
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Well I have been using AMD CPU's since the AMD K6-2 and they have always served me well. I have three rigs in my house a AMD FX-8120-HD6950 AMD FX-8350-HD7950 and a i5 3570K-GTX670 all with 16gig DDR3 1600 and I can say that both of my AMD/ATI rigs can handle any game or app I have with no problems at all.

I read alot of the i5 3570K is so much better than the FX that I think I believed it because that is what I built for my 2013 rig. Sad thing is it just was not true and while my intel rig is good it is not that far above,if any, from my two FX rigs. The only thing that my intel rig does that my AMD rigs do not is dual boot Windows 8 and OS X 10.8.3 and really the only reason I choose intel other than I was already running the fastest CPU that AMD has at this time.
 
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And Phenom II is a sweet spot cpu, a hyper 212 is really all you need for a good chip and much more cooling isn't going to get much more out of it. Ivy and FX really need a good cooler to their higher overclocks, and that's on a good chip, especially intel as it's less of a sweet spot and more of a linear increase in voltage for frequency (just bad chips take way more voltage for the same frequency).

A Hyper 212 will get even an 8350 to 4.6Ghz, putting it beyond the reach of Ph II (deneb). It'll get a cheaper FX or Trinity chip farther.

Do I really need to go get the list you ignored again?
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Maybe you should actually take the advice of people who know the chips better then you do, huh?

Who? From an AMD fanboy who only uses AMD and is so biased that they can't admit anything but X is better for everything?

From someone who owns a CoreDuo, i7-2720QM, 2 P4 Prescotts, 4 P4 Northwoods, a 960T, FX-8320, and 970BE, and who watches as every other day another person joins the club they own with their new FX chip telling them how much better it is then their old chips, be them Phenom II or Intel.

Not from the Intel fanboy who got lucky with a 3770k.
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post #214 of 358
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They are not bad at all. There is only Intel fanboys who look only at one side of the coin., those who trash everything to just feel good about their purchases.
I am sure those who trash AMD, will just cry on their knees when AMD goes bankrupt. They will hope that AMD return so they can get a nice CPU for $250 instead of paying $600 for the same CPU because of the lack of the competition ..
Even if AMD FX 8350 doesn't compete with i7 series it somewhat managed to adjust the prices.
AMD is the only warrior that fights Intel/ Nvidia. Nvidia just released a $1000 single consumer GPU just because AMD doesn't have the product to compete. I am sure if AMD is not around things will get even uglier.
We consumers must support AMD when they get the things right and not just trash them because we have personal issues with them. Because without AMD ... the only competition against Intel/ Nvidia in the PC market... the prices will inflate much higher than they do now.

Awesome! You put it in the niche perspective. smile.gif

Yes. There are some positive implications
of having a rival. Remember, as long as
there is competition in the market
betterment of products is not gonna stop.
And you the consumer is gonna benefit. You can't conclude on Intel Vs. AMD .
Each has pros & cons. But surely I
appreciate AMD, because it's the only
competitor to Intel. Being in such complex
field with such great rival and still sustain
with good perception of performance and
price is simply great.

Although AMD is great Intel is great++++.
Surely, you don't wanna underestimate
the org founded by Gordon Moore &
Robert Noyce(Inventor of integrated
circuit). AMD & Intel are tied up ironically
( Intel licensed x86 architecture to AMD<-
>AMD licensed x86-64 to Intel).

It doesn't mean that AMD is incapable of
doing x86 or Intel has short hand on
creating x86-64. Simply look at it from
business prospective...'What is already
created(It can be from your rival), why to
waste money & time on that, simply take
license from your rival'.

lol I just noticed this is my 100 th post! wink.gif
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Thuban is equivalent to Deneb for single thread and gaming, hardly 'great' for gaming, general usage, or overclocking/benching. It does have a great spot for multi-threaded specialist, professional level applications that make it questionable if FX is ever worth buying, even in niche applications, though, considering it's ~$100 or less price and then $30-50 AM3 boards.

Better IMC on Thuban's and they tend to run cooler for me than the Deneb's ( even when comparing C-3's to Thuban).
I would say the Thuban is a GREAT overclocker, best I've had in fact . Better than my I 7 , I 5 and even my FX 8350.
Here's my 1045 T running at 4509 mhz, http://valid.canardpc.com/2708623
That is a 1.8 Ghz overclock on a locked multiplier chip thumb.gif . I have 2 , 960 T's that will unlock to X6's and run at 4.6 Ghz plus, that's a 1.6 Ghz overclock darn impressive to me. ( all of these are on aio watercooling).

If you've never had a Thuban, you are really missing out smile.gif
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Are AMD CPUs really THAT bad as people say? Simple answer "YES".

Let me elaborate, I am an insane amd fanboy since year 2000, I've played with the Durons, Althon XPs, the 754 socket Athlon 64, the socket 939 Athlon 64 x2..., in all this time i have fixed many systems with AMD and Intel cpu, at the time i could see no reason why one would spend money on a P4, total crap, well i can say total crap because I never used one for more than a day or 2, but in any case it was not as fast and fun as my AMD Cpus, back in 2008 i decided it was time to go RageAngry and get a killer AMD system, so i emptied my pocket out on the Phenom II and a sweet XFX ATI 5770, the union was like true love to me, at this same time most of my other friends were bragging about Intel C2D, C2Q, anyhow I could care less I am the AMD fanboy, I had nothing to do at that time but just download games and play every day, the first month it did not hit me so much, I did not notice the bill, the second month it came to my attention, that god damn Phenom 125Watts & ATI 5770 union was a power hungry SOB... but why?, why did it use so much power?, there is so much reasons for that, but I can tell you one thing TODAY, If you are a responsible person and you care about your bills and how you spend money, you would avoid AMD like it was a god damn plague, the new AMD Buldozer/Piledriver i have seens the reviews benchmarks, yeah it looks good compare pretty nice againts and i5, but GUESS WHAT?? it uses almost 2x the power, 8 cores dont mean **** if it uses so much power and performs on an equal scale as a intel quad code system. Be responsible and get your self a damn Intel system. Even if you want to cheap out and buy AMD, you will pay for it my friend, you will pay each month for owning it! spend %25-40% more cash now, and not so much in the long run, in the end i am sure you are not buying the system for 2-3 months.

Geez that is a mouth full.

Well your not exactly right but not wrong either. Here's a chart of Computer power consumption based at the wall with various CPU's from Intel and AMD.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cpu-performance-comparison,3370-17.html
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A lot of people on the enthusiast forums were hoping Bulldozer would compete with the i7's. When that didn't happen some people took to calling them 'FailDozer' and AMD took a beating for a while on the message boards. That may not be the whole story but it seemed to be a part of it. Also, Intel's high end chips are more expensive and that appeals to e-peeners.
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I've been on this site for years and let me tell you, there's never been this much AMD vs Intel non-sense until recently.

Back in the Phenom II days there wasn't nearly this much non-sense being spouted around. If you wanted the best, you got the Core i7 920/X58, if you wanted something affordable and powerful, you either got a Phenom II X4 or Core 2 Duo. It's just as simple now, but people argue much more now.
74W vs 125W equates to about $25 over three years. That's nothing. Considering the price of the FX-8350 and the price of a Core i5 3570k, you'll probably spend even less over time.
Luck for you, where I live, when I had the Phenom II it added an additional $50us each month on my power bill, $0.27US per Kilowatt.
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the phemons are still good for gaming and video editing also if u overclock the phemon x4 or x6 they are even better
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Luck for you, where I live, when I had the Phenom II it added an additional $50us each month on my power bill, $0.27US per Kilowatt.
That doesn't sound right. Could you write out the steps to calculate that?

I tried calculating that and I got a price of $10 extra a month from 24/7 usage. It would be about $3 extra a month where I live for 24/7
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