Overclock.net › Forums › AMD › AMD CPUs › Are AMD CPUs really THAT bad as people say?
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Are AMD CPUs really THAT bad as people say? - Page 28  

post #271 of 358
I think it's because your friend's chip can afford to turbo boost and yours can't. Remember that chip @ 4.2GHz is alot more godly compared to your max turbo of 4.2GHz which it can't even afford to do so and even so your stock clock is already 4GHz
Ayase Eli
(20 items)
 
Testbench
(10 items)
 
MC Server
(13 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD Ryzen 7 1700 ASRock X370 SLI Killer Zotac GTX1070 "FE" with ID Cooling Frostflow 240G Crucial BallistiX Sport LP 16GB 8x2GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Zotac SSD Premium 480GB OCZ Vector 180 480GB Hitachi 7K3000 3TB 7200rpm ID Cooling Frostflow 240L 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
ID Cooling Frostflow 240G Phanteks F140MP x2 CoolerMaster Silencio FP120 x2 Phanteks F140SP 
CoolingMonitorKeyboardPower
Delta AFB1212SH x2 Dell U2713HM CM Storm MECH FSP Aurum PT 1200 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Phanteks Enthoo Pro Logitech G102 Tesoro Aegis X3 Virtus.Pro AKG K7XX 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 6700k Gigabyte Z170X-UD5 Depends Depends 
Hard DriveCoolingMonitorKeyboard
Plextor M5S Depends Dell U2312HM CM Storm Quickfire Rapid-i 
PowerMouse
FSP Aurum PT 1200 CM Storm Mizar 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 2600 4GHz Gigabyte Z77X D3H Intel HD Graphics 2000 obviously Kingston HyperX Genesis 4X4GB DDR3 1600 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
Intel 530 240GB Deepcool Captain 240 Arctic Cooling Bionix 140 Delta AFB1212L 
OSPowerCase
Windows 10 Pro CoolerMaster G750M NZXT Switch 810 
  hide details  
Ayase Eli
(20 items)
 
Testbench
(10 items)
 
MC Server
(13 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD Ryzen 7 1700 ASRock X370 SLI Killer Zotac GTX1070 "FE" with ID Cooling Frostflow 240G Crucial BallistiX Sport LP 16GB 8x2GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Zotac SSD Premium 480GB OCZ Vector 180 480GB Hitachi 7K3000 3TB 7200rpm ID Cooling Frostflow 240L 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
ID Cooling Frostflow 240G Phanteks F140MP x2 CoolerMaster Silencio FP120 x2 Phanteks F140SP 
CoolingMonitorKeyboardPower
Delta AFB1212SH x2 Dell U2713HM CM Storm MECH FSP Aurum PT 1200 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Phanteks Enthoo Pro Logitech G102 Tesoro Aegis X3 Virtus.Pro AKG K7XX 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 6700k Gigabyte Z170X-UD5 Depends Depends 
Hard DriveCoolingMonitorKeyboard
Plextor M5S Depends Dell U2312HM CM Storm Quickfire Rapid-i 
PowerMouse
FSP Aurum PT 1200 CM Storm Mizar 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 2600 4GHz Gigabyte Z77X D3H Intel HD Graphics 2000 obviously Kingston HyperX Genesis 4X4GB DDR3 1600 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
Intel 530 240GB Deepcool Captain 240 Arctic Cooling Bionix 140 Delta AFB1212L 
OSPowerCase
Windows 10 Pro CoolerMaster G750M NZXT Switch 810 
  hide details  
post #272 of 358
AMD has no aspirations of beating the top tier of intels product, which is where intel has been on top for a very long time. The bleeding edge is too costly for AMD right now, they are focusing their tech on their APUs for the midrange 'enthusiast'. In that niche they excel and their price per performance has always been AMD strongest point. Like you said, Intels compared to AMD are technically faster but alot more money. For some the difference is worth say...buying a SSD or a second (or better) videocard instead. And either of those will outweigh the benefits of the intel processor if that is the deciding factor, it depends on the types of games you play and what else you do with your computer. Personally, I would recommend either of those last 2 options before spending the extra coin for intel, only because I feel it gives a better computing experience.

I use intel because it has higher marks for performance where I need it and that is video editing. If my computer was strictly for gaming or casual use, I would probably get a quad FX processor and a Nvidia 670 or the AMD 7970.
post #273 of 358
Even though everyday use FX4300 is enough the FX6300 only goes for a tiny bit more ... 10$ more. Even if you couldn't use those 2 extra cores you might find it handy someday tongue.gif

http://www.microcenter.com/product/401797/FX_6300_Black_Edition_35GHz_Six-Core_Socket_AM3_Boxed_Processor
Ayase Eli
(20 items)
 
Testbench
(10 items)
 
MC Server
(13 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD Ryzen 7 1700 ASRock X370 SLI Killer Zotac GTX1070 "FE" with ID Cooling Frostflow 240G Crucial BallistiX Sport LP 16GB 8x2GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Zotac SSD Premium 480GB OCZ Vector 180 480GB Hitachi 7K3000 3TB 7200rpm ID Cooling Frostflow 240L 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
ID Cooling Frostflow 240G Phanteks F140MP x2 CoolerMaster Silencio FP120 x2 Phanteks F140SP 
CoolingMonitorKeyboardPower
Delta AFB1212SH x2 Dell U2713HM CM Storm MECH FSP Aurum PT 1200 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Phanteks Enthoo Pro Logitech G102 Tesoro Aegis X3 Virtus.Pro AKG K7XX 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 6700k Gigabyte Z170X-UD5 Depends Depends 
Hard DriveCoolingMonitorKeyboard
Plextor M5S Depends Dell U2312HM CM Storm Quickfire Rapid-i 
PowerMouse
FSP Aurum PT 1200 CM Storm Mizar 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 2600 4GHz Gigabyte Z77X D3H Intel HD Graphics 2000 obviously Kingston HyperX Genesis 4X4GB DDR3 1600 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
Intel 530 240GB Deepcool Captain 240 Arctic Cooling Bionix 140 Delta AFB1212L 
OSPowerCase
Windows 10 Pro CoolerMaster G750M NZXT Switch 810 
  hide details  
Ayase Eli
(20 items)
 
Testbench
(10 items)
 
MC Server
(13 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD Ryzen 7 1700 ASRock X370 SLI Killer Zotac GTX1070 "FE" with ID Cooling Frostflow 240G Crucial BallistiX Sport LP 16GB 8x2GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Zotac SSD Premium 480GB OCZ Vector 180 480GB Hitachi 7K3000 3TB 7200rpm ID Cooling Frostflow 240L 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
ID Cooling Frostflow 240G Phanteks F140MP x2 CoolerMaster Silencio FP120 x2 Phanteks F140SP 
CoolingMonitorKeyboardPower
Delta AFB1212SH x2 Dell U2713HM CM Storm MECH FSP Aurum PT 1200 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Phanteks Enthoo Pro Logitech G102 Tesoro Aegis X3 Virtus.Pro AKG K7XX 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 6700k Gigabyte Z170X-UD5 Depends Depends 
Hard DriveCoolingMonitorKeyboard
Plextor M5S Depends Dell U2312HM CM Storm Quickfire Rapid-i 
PowerMouse
FSP Aurum PT 1200 CM Storm Mizar 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 2600 4GHz Gigabyte Z77X D3H Intel HD Graphics 2000 obviously Kingston HyperX Genesis 4X4GB DDR3 1600 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
Intel 530 240GB Deepcool Captain 240 Arctic Cooling Bionix 140 Delta AFB1212L 
OSPowerCase
Windows 10 Pro CoolerMaster G750M NZXT Switch 810 
  hide details  
post #274 of 358
Quote:
Originally Posted by rocket47 View Post

Wow runs way better on intel, better single thread performance.
My Fx 8320@ 4.5 runs well bf3 , a multi thr game.

Its sad for you that you didnt know that before.

It's also sad that New Vegas, Skyrim, Battlefield 3, and Farcry also run better on his machine. I know WoW has been using single threaded performance since I started playing back in BC, it's one of the reasons they've kept such a high population of players who still run single and dual core CPU's.

Seriously though for AMD's top chip to be THAT fail compared to Intel's "not top" chip in single threaded performance, yeah, I feel like I just got ripped the "f" off. If it were a matter of 5-7 FPS, no big deal. 40 FPS? That's a big f-in deal. That's the smell of some hardcore fail on AMD's behalf, and yes, you're right, had I seen this BEFORE I bought the setup I have, well, let's just say I wouldn't have the set up I have.
Abacus
(29 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel I7-5820K Gigabyte X99P SLI EVGA GeForce GTX 970 FTW GAMING ACX 2.0 G.SKILL Ripjaws 4 Series 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
OCZ Vertex 4 256 EKWB Supremacy Evo CPU Block Bitspower G1/4 Matte Black Dual Rotary 60-Degre... Bitspower G1/4 Matte Black Dual Rotary 45-Degre... 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
EK-AF Ball Valve (10mm) G1/4 - Matte Black (x2) PrimoFlex Advanced LRT Tubing - 7/16in. ID X 5/... Monsoon Free Center Compression Fittings, 7/16"... Corsair Air Series SP120 Performance Edition Hi... 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Aquacomputer Aqualis D5 150ml Reservoir Alphacool Nexxxos Monsta 240mm Radiator (x2) Alphacool Nexxxos Monsta 480mm Radiator EK-FC970 GTX ACX - Acetal+Nickel (x2) 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
EK-FC970 GTX ACX Backplate - Black (x2) Windows 7 Ultimate Sanyo 40" 1080P TV G.Skill RIPJAWS KM780 MX RGB 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
EVGA SuperNOVA 1000 PS (Platinum) Cooler Master CM Storm Trooper Razer Naga Chroma Razer Goliathus Control Large 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
Yamaha RX-V1800 7.1 Receiver Klipsch KG-4 Floor Standing (front) Klipsch KV-3 Center Channel Klipsch KSF 10.5 Floor Standing (rear) 
Other
Logisys True-Color CCFL Light Bar - 12" - White... 
  hide details  
Abacus
(29 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel I7-5820K Gigabyte X99P SLI EVGA GeForce GTX 970 FTW GAMING ACX 2.0 G.SKILL Ripjaws 4 Series 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
OCZ Vertex 4 256 EKWB Supremacy Evo CPU Block Bitspower G1/4 Matte Black Dual Rotary 60-Degre... Bitspower G1/4 Matte Black Dual Rotary 45-Degre... 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
EK-AF Ball Valve (10mm) G1/4 - Matte Black (x2) PrimoFlex Advanced LRT Tubing - 7/16in. ID X 5/... Monsoon Free Center Compression Fittings, 7/16"... Corsair Air Series SP120 Performance Edition Hi... 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Aquacomputer Aqualis D5 150ml Reservoir Alphacool Nexxxos Monsta 240mm Radiator (x2) Alphacool Nexxxos Monsta 480mm Radiator EK-FC970 GTX ACX - Acetal+Nickel (x2) 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
EK-FC970 GTX ACX Backplate - Black (x2) Windows 7 Ultimate Sanyo 40" 1080P TV G.Skill RIPJAWS KM780 MX RGB 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
EVGA SuperNOVA 1000 PS (Platinum) Cooler Master CM Storm Trooper Razer Naga Chroma Razer Goliathus Control Large 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
Yamaha RX-V1800 7.1 Receiver Klipsch KG-4 Floor Standing (front) Klipsch KV-3 Center Channel Klipsch KSF 10.5 Floor Standing (rear) 
Other
Logisys True-Color CCFL Light Bar - 12" - White... 
  hide details  
post #275 of 358
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThisMaySting View Post

It's also sad that New Vegas, Skyrim, Battlefield 3, and Farcry also run better on his machine. I know WoW has been using single threaded performance since I started playing back in BC, it's one of the reasons they've kept such a high population of players who still run single and dual core CPU's.

Seriously though for AMD's top chip to be THAT fail compared to Intel's "not top" chip in single threaded performance, yeah, I feel like I just got ripped the "f" off. If it were a matter of 5-7 FPS, no big deal. 40 FPS? That's a big f-in deal. That's the smell of some hardcore fail on AMD's behalf, and yes, you're right, had I seen this BEFORE I bought the setup I have, well, let's just say I wouldn't have the set up I have.

You should be well ahead of him in multiplayer BF3, are you sure everything is ok with your rig?
Ryzen Shine!
(14 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Ryzen 1800X @ 4125mhz 1.432 Volts MSI X370 Titanium   Fury  G.SKILL TridentZ Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) 288-Pin... 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Samsung 850 pro Hp 1260 I liquid unobtanium Koolance 480mm radiator, 39... Win 7 HP/Winspy 10 64bit 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
24" hp @ 1900x1200 Logitech G19 PC power and cooling 910 watt silencer Thermaltake P5 
MouseMouse Pad
Logitech MX 518 fUnc industries 
  hide details  
Ryzen Shine!
(14 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Ryzen 1800X @ 4125mhz 1.432 Volts MSI X370 Titanium   Fury  G.SKILL TridentZ Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) 288-Pin... 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Samsung 850 pro Hp 1260 I liquid unobtanium Koolance 480mm radiator, 39... Win 7 HP/Winspy 10 64bit 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
24" hp @ 1900x1200 Logitech G19 PC power and cooling 910 watt silencer Thermaltake P5 
MouseMouse Pad
Logitech MX 518 fUnc industries 
  hide details  
post #276 of 358
Quote:
Originally Posted by cssorkinman View Post

You should be well ahead of him in multiplayer BF3, are you sure everything is ok with your rig?

First off let me apologize for the above post. I can see how it may have potentially come off as "cross"...that was not my intent. Sometimes I fail to proof read from what I would call "another person's perspective", after reading my post in your quote, well, that was one of those posts. All due apologies if this was how I came off.

As far as I can tell my rig is ok, there is nothing wrong with it. I've not used Prime in many years, when I found my "stable" 4.8 GHz overclock it was with OCCT. I ran OCCT on a weekend morning starting at 7 a.m. and came back to it at 8 p.m. still running, no crashes, hiccups, etc. Since I don't actually use my computer for 13 hour intervals, I figured this test was more than what I needed to verify a stable overclock.

Right now, with the exception of the video card, I am back to stock (again with the exception of APM and all that crap, RAM voltage has also been upped to 1.6v for G.Skill Ripjaws X Series RAM 2 x 4 GB), even set the default RAM timings as per the label on the packaging.

The video card I recently "re-modded" to 1.212v, a 200% power target (which may never actually be acquired with only 1.212v, but hey, headroom smile.gif ) and 100% fan speed. Though I did not mod the GPU clock at all with the firmware update, I run at +150 for GPU clock and +700 (down from +750 which was causing some long term instability) memory clock. This is on an EVGA GTX 670 FTW Edition 2GB card.

I know that even though ASUS has this supposedly "great" 'separately powered built in audio', it is still inferior to a damned good PCI audio card, which I lack at the moment, however, my friend is also using the built in audio on his Maximus, so I can't really use that as a weighing factor here. I suppose I "could" disable on board audio in BIOS and just test it out, but I seriously doubt this is the affecting issue.

Maybe there is something with the FX series that I am just completely missing, it would not be the first time.

When I "was" overclocking to 4.8 GHz I was running my RAM at 1866 MHz (tried at 2133 MHz a couple different times with "looser" timings but it just was not stable for whatever reason) with a CPU/NB of 2000 MHz and a HTLink of 2200 MHz. I had researched on this site and also on my own that unlike with my Phenom predecessor, the CPU/NB speed was calculated by RAM speed x 2, in this case 933 x2 which of course would equal 1866, and in BIOS the next closest thing (to 1866 MHz) for CPU/NB frequency is indeed 2000 MHz. In the case of the Phenom it would have been 933 x 3 which would have equated to 2800 CPU/NB frequency.

Maybe there is something different with the FX series than with the Phenom, but I never really ran an HTLink frequency of over 2200/2400 max.

I am trying to remember everything here off the top of my head without actually rebooting, going into my overclock profile, and writing all this down...

My RAM was at 1.6v even then, but my CPU/NB voltage I had raised to 1.3xxv (somewhere in the 1.3 range, don't remember exact decimal places after the first...). I believe my NB voltage was at 1.2xxv, and I don't recall touching the SB voltage. If I did alter the SB voltage, it would have been +1 of whatever the built in BIOS increment was. I never wanted to go too high with that, of course, maybe that's the problem.

All voltage/power switching was set to Ultra High or Extreme, whichever the higher of the two was in the options. CPU was set to an incredibly high (to me anyway) 1.44v (that was the lowest it would run stable at 4.8 GHz without a "one hour into OCCT crash"), but the temps never reached above 56 Celsius even under OCCT load (which I found impressive for that amount of friggen power being utilized by the CPU).

CPU Voltage Over-Current Protection I believe was set to 130%. (I believe 140% was maximum and RED in color, I kind of stayed away from that.)

CPU/NB Over-Current Protection was set to 130%. PWM Mode I believe was set to Extreme or Ultra High (the higher of the two allowed in BIOS, I just don't recall off the top of my head which one it is...).

Core C6 of course Disabled, HPC Disabled, C1E Disabled, Apm Master Mode Disabled, Cool n Quiet Disabled (I manually adjust my H100I fans in Corsair Link 2).

The memory I tightened up just a little, I am still not too familiar with "tightening" RAM timings, so I take it slow. The factory "default" for my RAM is 11-11-11-30. I believe I set it to something weak like 9-9-10-28 and kept it at 2T (1T caused instability.) That may not be the exactly what I had them timed to, I just don't recall.

If there is anything I missed please let me know, this is everything I could think of off the top of my head. Hopefully you'll see some kind of huge discrepancy in there and will be kind enough to let me know what it is.

Other than that I am at a stand still and honestly re-saving my money for an Intel build; that is, unless by some saving grace you are able to pinpoint the cause to my problem and help me overcome it, which would be absolutely terrific!

P.S. Sorry for the eye-bleeding term paper here...

P.P.S. Also sorry that I am sort of hijacking this thread with a potential "what is going wrong with my overclock?" question. Mods if you see it fit to move this please by all means it is not my intent to misplace posts in this forum.
Edited by ThisMaySting - 4/1/13 at 11:07pm
Abacus
(29 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel I7-5820K Gigabyte X99P SLI EVGA GeForce GTX 970 FTW GAMING ACX 2.0 G.SKILL Ripjaws 4 Series 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
OCZ Vertex 4 256 EKWB Supremacy Evo CPU Block Bitspower G1/4 Matte Black Dual Rotary 60-Degre... Bitspower G1/4 Matte Black Dual Rotary 45-Degre... 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
EK-AF Ball Valve (10mm) G1/4 - Matte Black (x2) PrimoFlex Advanced LRT Tubing - 7/16in. ID X 5/... Monsoon Free Center Compression Fittings, 7/16"... Corsair Air Series SP120 Performance Edition Hi... 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Aquacomputer Aqualis D5 150ml Reservoir Alphacool Nexxxos Monsta 240mm Radiator (x2) Alphacool Nexxxos Monsta 480mm Radiator EK-FC970 GTX ACX - Acetal+Nickel (x2) 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
EK-FC970 GTX ACX Backplate - Black (x2) Windows 7 Ultimate Sanyo 40" 1080P TV G.Skill RIPJAWS KM780 MX RGB 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
EVGA SuperNOVA 1000 PS (Platinum) Cooler Master CM Storm Trooper Razer Naga Chroma Razer Goliathus Control Large 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
Yamaha RX-V1800 7.1 Receiver Klipsch KG-4 Floor Standing (front) Klipsch KV-3 Center Channel Klipsch KSF 10.5 Floor Standing (rear) 
Other
Logisys True-Color CCFL Light Bar - 12" - White... 
  hide details  
Abacus
(29 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel I7-5820K Gigabyte X99P SLI EVGA GeForce GTX 970 FTW GAMING ACX 2.0 G.SKILL Ripjaws 4 Series 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
OCZ Vertex 4 256 EKWB Supremacy Evo CPU Block Bitspower G1/4 Matte Black Dual Rotary 60-Degre... Bitspower G1/4 Matte Black Dual Rotary 45-Degre... 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
EK-AF Ball Valve (10mm) G1/4 - Matte Black (x2) PrimoFlex Advanced LRT Tubing - 7/16in. ID X 5/... Monsoon Free Center Compression Fittings, 7/16"... Corsair Air Series SP120 Performance Edition Hi... 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Aquacomputer Aqualis D5 150ml Reservoir Alphacool Nexxxos Monsta 240mm Radiator (x2) Alphacool Nexxxos Monsta 480mm Radiator EK-FC970 GTX ACX - Acetal+Nickel (x2) 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
EK-FC970 GTX ACX Backplate - Black (x2) Windows 7 Ultimate Sanyo 40" 1080P TV G.Skill RIPJAWS KM780 MX RGB 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
EVGA SuperNOVA 1000 PS (Platinum) Cooler Master CM Storm Trooper Razer Naga Chroma Razer Goliathus Control Large 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
Yamaha RX-V1800 7.1 Receiver Klipsch KG-4 Floor Standing (front) Klipsch KV-3 Center Channel Klipsch KSF 10.5 Floor Standing (rear) 
Other
Logisys True-Color CCFL Light Bar - 12" - White... 
  hide details  
post #277 of 358
Just for future reference, stock CPU/NB is 1.2v 2200Mhz, and stock HT is 2600Mhz. Dropping NB speed, especially with faster ram and seriously overvolting it (CPU/NB) like that, can destroy your memory performance. You were likely starving your 8350 of information. There's almost no reason at all to change CPU/NB and HT from stock speeds with Piledriver.

1.44v is good for 4.8Ghz though, most people need 1.46-1.48v.
Forge
(17 items)
 
Forge-LT
(7 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
Intel i7-5960X (4.625Ghz) ASUS X99-DELUXE/U3.1 EVGA 1080ti SC2 Hybrid EVGA 1080ti SC2 Hybrid 
RAMHard DriveCoolingOS
64GB Corsair Dominator Platinum (3000Mhz 8x8GB) Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 512GB EK Predator 240 Windows 10 Enterprise x64 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
2x Acer XR341CK Corsair Vengeance K70 RGB Corsair AX1200 Corsair Graphite 780T 
MouseAudioAudioAudio
Corsair Vengeance M65 RGB Sennheiser HD700 Sound Blaster AE-5 Audio Technica AT4040 
Audio
30ART Mic Tube Amp 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7-4720HQ UX501JW-UB71T GTX 960m 16GB 1600 9-9-9-27 
Hard DriveOSMonitor
512GB PCI-e SSD Windows 10 Pro 4k IPS 
  hide details  
Forge
(17 items)
 
Forge-LT
(7 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
Intel i7-5960X (4.625Ghz) ASUS X99-DELUXE/U3.1 EVGA 1080ti SC2 Hybrid EVGA 1080ti SC2 Hybrid 
RAMHard DriveCoolingOS
64GB Corsair Dominator Platinum (3000Mhz 8x8GB) Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 512GB EK Predator 240 Windows 10 Enterprise x64 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
2x Acer XR341CK Corsair Vengeance K70 RGB Corsair AX1200 Corsair Graphite 780T 
MouseAudioAudioAudio
Corsair Vengeance M65 RGB Sennheiser HD700 Sound Blaster AE-5 Audio Technica AT4040 
Audio
30ART Mic Tube Amp 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7-4720HQ UX501JW-UB71T GTX 960m 16GB 1600 9-9-9-27 
Hard DriveOSMonitor
512GB PCI-e SSD Windows 10 Pro 4k IPS 
  hide details  
post #278 of 358
4.4GHz HTLink? That's some serious bandwidth starvation going on there ... Remember, this is BD/PD and NOT Deneb/Thuban. BD/PD is a awful lot more bandwidth hungry
Ayase Eli
(20 items)
 
Testbench
(10 items)
 
MC Server
(13 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD Ryzen 7 1700 ASRock X370 SLI Killer Zotac GTX1070 "FE" with ID Cooling Frostflow 240G Crucial BallistiX Sport LP 16GB 8x2GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Zotac SSD Premium 480GB OCZ Vector 180 480GB Hitachi 7K3000 3TB 7200rpm ID Cooling Frostflow 240L 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
ID Cooling Frostflow 240G Phanteks F140MP x2 CoolerMaster Silencio FP120 x2 Phanteks F140SP 
CoolingMonitorKeyboardPower
Delta AFB1212SH x2 Dell U2713HM CM Storm MECH FSP Aurum PT 1200 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Phanteks Enthoo Pro Logitech G102 Tesoro Aegis X3 Virtus.Pro AKG K7XX 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 6700k Gigabyte Z170X-UD5 Depends Depends 
Hard DriveCoolingMonitorKeyboard
Plextor M5S Depends Dell U2312HM CM Storm Quickfire Rapid-i 
PowerMouse
FSP Aurum PT 1200 CM Storm Mizar 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 2600 4GHz Gigabyte Z77X D3H Intel HD Graphics 2000 obviously Kingston HyperX Genesis 4X4GB DDR3 1600 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
Intel 530 240GB Deepcool Captain 240 Arctic Cooling Bionix 140 Delta AFB1212L 
OSPowerCase
Windows 10 Pro CoolerMaster G750M NZXT Switch 810 
  hide details  
Ayase Eli
(20 items)
 
Testbench
(10 items)
 
MC Server
(13 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD Ryzen 7 1700 ASRock X370 SLI Killer Zotac GTX1070 "FE" with ID Cooling Frostflow 240G Crucial BallistiX Sport LP 16GB 8x2GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Zotac SSD Premium 480GB OCZ Vector 180 480GB Hitachi 7K3000 3TB 7200rpm ID Cooling Frostflow 240L 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
ID Cooling Frostflow 240G Phanteks F140MP x2 CoolerMaster Silencio FP120 x2 Phanteks F140SP 
CoolingMonitorKeyboardPower
Delta AFB1212SH x2 Dell U2713HM CM Storm MECH FSP Aurum PT 1200 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Phanteks Enthoo Pro Logitech G102 Tesoro Aegis X3 Virtus.Pro AKG K7XX 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 6700k Gigabyte Z170X-UD5 Depends Depends 
Hard DriveCoolingMonitorKeyboard
Plextor M5S Depends Dell U2312HM CM Storm Quickfire Rapid-i 
PowerMouse
FSP Aurum PT 1200 CM Storm Mizar 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 2600 4GHz Gigabyte Z77X D3H Intel HD Graphics 2000 obviously Kingston HyperX Genesis 4X4GB DDR3 1600 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
Intel 530 240GB Deepcool Captain 240 Arctic Cooling Bionix 140 Delta AFB1212L 
OSPowerCase
Windows 10 Pro CoolerMaster G750M NZXT Switch 810 
  hide details  
post #279 of 358
This is all very interesting information, and it conflicts with what I had set up, but also with the information I had received "to" set it up that way. I was told that due to a weak IMC that AMD is supposedly "known" for, the CPU/NB (voltage) needed to be upped or else the RAM would not reach its full potential. Obviously this information was false, the proof was in the gaming I was doing.

Really though is it best to keep the CPU/NB and HTLink at "Auto" (which would be what "stock" is...)? I am not doubting you in any way, I just like formulas, and I was wondering if there is indeed a formula I can use given my CPU Ratio, frequency, and/or RAM frequency to really fine tune both the CPU/NB frequency and/or the HTLink frequency. However, if keeping them (and their voltages) at stock (Auto) is best, then I shall do so!

The biggest problem I think I am having is what DaveLT referenced: "Remember, this is BD/PD and NOT Deneb/Thuban." I am new to the Bulldozer and Piledriver architecture, and I have a tendency to do things the "way I always have". I know this isn't always a good thing when one moves forward with new technology, but it's an old habit that an old dog has a hard time breaking.

I do thank you both for the information so far. This is all good to know. I don't want to change everything just yet until I know for sure whether there is a formula, or if the formula equates to just keeping these frequencies/voltages stock.
Abacus
(29 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel I7-5820K Gigabyte X99P SLI EVGA GeForce GTX 970 FTW GAMING ACX 2.0 G.SKILL Ripjaws 4 Series 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
OCZ Vertex 4 256 EKWB Supremacy Evo CPU Block Bitspower G1/4 Matte Black Dual Rotary 60-Degre... Bitspower G1/4 Matte Black Dual Rotary 45-Degre... 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
EK-AF Ball Valve (10mm) G1/4 - Matte Black (x2) PrimoFlex Advanced LRT Tubing - 7/16in. ID X 5/... Monsoon Free Center Compression Fittings, 7/16"... Corsair Air Series SP120 Performance Edition Hi... 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Aquacomputer Aqualis D5 150ml Reservoir Alphacool Nexxxos Monsta 240mm Radiator (x2) Alphacool Nexxxos Monsta 480mm Radiator EK-FC970 GTX ACX - Acetal+Nickel (x2) 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
EK-FC970 GTX ACX Backplate - Black (x2) Windows 7 Ultimate Sanyo 40" 1080P TV G.Skill RIPJAWS KM780 MX RGB 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
EVGA SuperNOVA 1000 PS (Platinum) Cooler Master CM Storm Trooper Razer Naga Chroma Razer Goliathus Control Large 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
Yamaha RX-V1800 7.1 Receiver Klipsch KG-4 Floor Standing (front) Klipsch KV-3 Center Channel Klipsch KSF 10.5 Floor Standing (rear) 
Other
Logisys True-Color CCFL Light Bar - 12" - White... 
  hide details  
Abacus
(29 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel I7-5820K Gigabyte X99P SLI EVGA GeForce GTX 970 FTW GAMING ACX 2.0 G.SKILL Ripjaws 4 Series 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
OCZ Vertex 4 256 EKWB Supremacy Evo CPU Block Bitspower G1/4 Matte Black Dual Rotary 60-Degre... Bitspower G1/4 Matte Black Dual Rotary 45-Degre... 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
EK-AF Ball Valve (10mm) G1/4 - Matte Black (x2) PrimoFlex Advanced LRT Tubing - 7/16in. ID X 5/... Monsoon Free Center Compression Fittings, 7/16"... Corsair Air Series SP120 Performance Edition Hi... 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Aquacomputer Aqualis D5 150ml Reservoir Alphacool Nexxxos Monsta 240mm Radiator (x2) Alphacool Nexxxos Monsta 480mm Radiator EK-FC970 GTX ACX - Acetal+Nickel (x2) 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
EK-FC970 GTX ACX Backplate - Black (x2) Windows 7 Ultimate Sanyo 40" 1080P TV G.Skill RIPJAWS KM780 MX RGB 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
EVGA SuperNOVA 1000 PS (Platinum) Cooler Master CM Storm Trooper Razer Naga Chroma Razer Goliathus Control Large 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
Yamaha RX-V1800 7.1 Receiver Klipsch KG-4 Floor Standing (front) Klipsch KV-3 Center Channel Klipsch KSF 10.5 Floor Standing (rear) 
Other
Logisys True-Color CCFL Light Bar - 12" - White... 
  hide details  
post #280 of 358
General rule of thumb for CPU/NB on PileDriver is that it needs to be as fast or faster then RAM. Yes you can OC it, yes it will make for faster memory performance, but it leads to stability issues quickly (PD really does not like the NB being tampered with, above 2600 or so just forget about it), and it doesn't have anywhere near the impact it did on Ph II because L3 cache is no longer bound to the CPU/NB speed. As a result, it's easier to just leave it stock unless you plan to FSB OC, in which case do your best to keep it within 100Mhz of stock.

HyperTransport will be fine at 2200 if you're only using one GPU, but if you're using two, you need it at 2600 or higher. Pretty simple, more things on the other side of HT requires faster HT.
Forge
(17 items)
 
Forge-LT
(7 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
Intel i7-5960X (4.625Ghz) ASUS X99-DELUXE/U3.1 EVGA 1080ti SC2 Hybrid EVGA 1080ti SC2 Hybrid 
RAMHard DriveCoolingOS
64GB Corsair Dominator Platinum (3000Mhz 8x8GB) Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 512GB EK Predator 240 Windows 10 Enterprise x64 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
2x Acer XR341CK Corsair Vengeance K70 RGB Corsair AX1200 Corsair Graphite 780T 
MouseAudioAudioAudio
Corsair Vengeance M65 RGB Sennheiser HD700 Sound Blaster AE-5 Audio Technica AT4040 
Audio
30ART Mic Tube Amp 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7-4720HQ UX501JW-UB71T GTX 960m 16GB 1600 9-9-9-27 
Hard DriveOSMonitor
512GB PCI-e SSD Windows 10 Pro 4k IPS 
  hide details  
Forge
(17 items)
 
Forge-LT
(7 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
Intel i7-5960X (4.625Ghz) ASUS X99-DELUXE/U3.1 EVGA 1080ti SC2 Hybrid EVGA 1080ti SC2 Hybrid 
RAMHard DriveCoolingOS
64GB Corsair Dominator Platinum (3000Mhz 8x8GB) Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 512GB EK Predator 240 Windows 10 Enterprise x64 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
2x Acer XR341CK Corsair Vengeance K70 RGB Corsair AX1200 Corsair Graphite 780T 
MouseAudioAudioAudio
Corsair Vengeance M65 RGB Sennheiser HD700 Sound Blaster AE-5 Audio Technica AT4040 
Audio
30ART Mic Tube Amp 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7-4720HQ UX501JW-UB71T GTX 960m 16GB 1600 9-9-9-27 
Hard DriveOSMonitor
512GB PCI-e SSD Windows 10 Pro 4k IPS 
  hide details  
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: AMD CPUs
This thread is locked  
Overclock.net › Forums › AMD › AMD CPUs › Are AMD CPUs really THAT bad as people say?