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Just wish they'd make Athlon X2 again.

There are still quite a few of them readily available in retail channels, not to mention Semprons. But the best thing in that price range are the A4 APU's, and I think that is what AMD would want you to buy if you were in the market for a dual-core for a cheap PC.
     
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post #302 of 358
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To you guys talking about spending a ton of money on FX power bills, you guys know you can actually use this awesome tool (called math) to show exactly how much more it'll cost?

Instead of making things up, why don't you crunch some numbers for us so we know how long it'd take for the two to be equal in money spent when factoring in power consumption?

I would do it but I think it is a great exercise for you to see how much it would cost. If you want a tip, it's that it takes a few years of 24/7 100% load to catch up in price as long as you have reasonable electricity rates (like everyone in the mainland US does).

The question is, in your CPU's lifetime, can the power consumption difference add up to $50 or more? If we're actually talking about 24/7ing I am almost certain this is a yes, though I can stand to be corrected.

If you switched CPUs every 12-18 months you really wouldn't give a damn about power draw as they probably get more efficient over time. Comparing reasonable overclock to reasonable overclock, the 8350 takes about 80-95 W more power under load compared to current gen Intel quads. Again, I could be wrong, but if we're talking about 24/7, this will add up to a point where it really is substantial.

Regardless, less power draw is less stress on your PSU, which I hear are most efficient at around half of max load. Its also less money (don't need such a high W rated PSU) and more breathing room for unknowns, such as CPU & GPU OCs, as well as potential future additions: fans, hard drives, sound cards/PCI cards, more peripherals/USB devices, SLI/CFX...
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I've had my AMD Phenom II x6 1090T for about 2 and half years now. So far, I can say its probably the best bang for buck CPU I've gotten for my rig(considering its been the only CPU i've been using for my only rig). I've only recently did some overhaul for my rig and managed to finally overclock it properly to a stable 4.0Ghz and its been a blast so far. I can't wait to push it further once I have better cooling because I'm pushing 60c to 65c on Prime95 blend. But straight to the point, AMD cpus aren't all that bad, they have better money spent to relative performance ratios. thumb.gif

With the amount of money spent on my Crosshair V Formula-Z and PII x6 1090T @ 4.0Ghz as compared to an intel-equivalent build, I think it is so much more worth it considering the amount of extra money spent on the intel solution will go to a better cooling solution. Just my honest opinion and if anyone finds a discrepancy in what i've said pls let me know tongue.gif

When I bought my 965 be i was considering an i7 920, but the savings with the 965 allowed me to buy a second bfg 275
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The question is, in your CPU's lifetime, can the power consumption difference add up to $50 or more? If we're actually talking about 24/7ing I am almost certain this is a yes, though I can stand to be corrected.

If you switched CPUs every 12-18 months you really wouldn't give a damn about power draw as they probably get more efficient over time. Comparing reasonable overclock to reasonable overclock, the 8350 takes about 80-95 W more power under load compared to current gen Intel quads. Again, I could be wrong, but if we're talking about 24/7, this will add up to a point where it really is substantial.

Regardless, less power draw is less stress on your PSU, which I hear are most efficient at around half of max load. Its also less money (don't need such a high W rated PSU) and more breathing room for unknowns, such as CPU & GPU OCs, as well as potential future additions: fans, hard drives, sound cards/PCI cards, more peripherals/USB devices, SLI/CFX...

Well, to be quite honest, I don't give a damn about CPU power consumption, because if you replace all your 100w light bulbs with CCFLs @ 20w, 4 light bulbs is already saving 240w, and 100w light bulb is at full load a lot more than a computer generally.

If you really want to figure this out and you're lazy, here you go: http://www.electricity-usage.com/Electricity-Usage-Calculator.aspx

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx-8350-vishera-review,3328-16.html

70w difference, so that's about where you should start. However .10 is a decent rate, some places charge a lot more.
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Well, to be quite honest, I don't give a damn about CPU power consumption, because if you replace all your 100w light bulbs with CCFLs @ 20w, 4 light bulbs is already saving 240w, and 100w light bulb is at full load a lot more than a computer generally.

If you really want to figure this out and you're lazy, here you go: http://www.electricity-usage.com/Electricity-Usage-Calculator.aspx

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx-8350-vishera-review,3328-16.html

70w difference, so that's about where you should start. However .10 is a decent rate, some places charge a lot more.

Yeah, power doesn't really even matter over here. I like in BC where its as cheap as .069 or something so we really don't give a damn.
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The card does not unlock... Already tried.
 
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Well, to be quite honest, I don't give a damn about CPU power consumption, because if you replace all your 100w light bulbs with CCFLs @ 20w, 4 light bulbs is already saving 240w, and 100w light bulb is at full load a lot more than a computer generally..

I have heard this before on this forum but I don't understand why it matters. Changing out light bulbs in your house to lower power consumption has nothing to do with purchasing a much more efficient processor, you can do both and have an even lower power bill.
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They're pretty bad at the moment, which sucks for everybody here because without good competitive performance from AMD, we'd probably just now be getting quad core CPUs from Intel.

As much as I love Nvidia and Intel, I'd love for AMD to be highly successful simply so the former two don't gouge the absolute hell out of the market (as well as the utter lack of innovation we'd have if there was only one major player for each market). I'm hoping AMD is able to make some cash from their console arrangements and that this leads to profitability and a respectable share price.

But to answer your question, yes, their CPUs are horrendous. Cost/performance-wise with GPUs you can at least make a case for going AMD (if money is your primary concern), but Intel utterly dominates them in the CPU market. IIRC this is because they switched to a new (automated?) fabrication process (they were dominating the CPU market only 5-7 years ago until they switched).

Intel's current success is really interesting because so much of their innovation and success can be directly attributed to AMD's great value and performance in the mid 2000s. My comment about only now getting quad core CPUs wasn't in jest (some analysts have projected it wouldn't have been until 2015).
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Even when AMD had been dominating AMD didn't earn much due to Intel's anti-competitive measures and NO their CPUs are not horrendous. C'mon, the 8320 (Just OC it to 8350) will match in highly-threaded apps and also if you're video editing you will prefer octa-cores.
Well on the other hand if you DONT have multi-threading support please upgrade, we're in 2013
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Even when AMD had been dominating AMD didn't earn much due to Intel's anti-competitive measures and NO their CPUs are not horrendous. C'mon, the 8320 (Just OC it to 8350) will match in highly-threaded apps and also if you're video editing you will prefer octa-cores.
Well on the other hand if you DONT have multi-threading support please upgrade, we're in 2013

Their CPUs are horrendous. I'm not sure which benchmarks you're looking at, but at the moment it isn't even close, whether it uses 8 cores or 1.
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