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Originally Posted by Nigudigu View Post

I've been hearing for a long time that AMD CPUs are far beyond Intel's. This is probably true if we're comparing AMD's highest tier with Intel's highest one (i7 third generation vs FX series), seeing as how Intel's high end CPUs are usually two (literally) times more expensive, I see this pretty logical (you're not going to compare a Samsung Galaxy SIV with an HTC Tatoo, right?), but when it comes to same tier (which would be FX vs i5) people still say that the i5 3570k completely beats the FX 8350 in every aspect by far. Is it really true? Most huge differences (over 5 FPS) come from single-threaded games or badly optimized ones (per-core performance in Intel is higher).

I've only used one AMD-powered computer in my life (the one I built myself long time ago, here it is really hard to find prebuilt AMD CPUs) and I must say that it's not bad at all. I'm surprised how a Phenom x4 2.2GHz can still be a solid option when gaming. Don't expect too much of it, specially if the GPU is not that good either, but it performs fine. I'm very happy with it and I don't think I made a bad purchase.

However, people still say that AMD CPUs are garbage and Intel's equivalent kicks AMD in the ass pretty bad. Is this true nowadays? I've been pretty much disconnected from all the hardware world for the last years so I don't know if this is an hyperbole or Intel has really left AMD that far. What do you think? What do you think that will happen after Microsoft and Sony release their consoles with 8-cored CPUs (PS4 is theoretically a Vishera APU)? And outside the gaming world, what do you think that happens and will happen with AMD vs Intel?

Honestly, it's all down to what you want to do.

If you plan to encode videos all day long like me, you're going to have a very hard time beating a well clocked FX-83** with anything short of a 2011/x79 build. Same goes for heavy rendering, or pretty much anything else that will actually use 8 cores. If you're serious enough about it to be running a custom compiled linux distro, the AMD chips can seem like magic, but that's even more rare then finding someone who encodes often enough to truly justify an 8-core at all.

If you plan to play games, especially StarCraft II and games like it, then you want Intel. If you want QuadFire/SLI, you should be able to afford a 3930k at which point why would you bother with i5/AMD at all.

Streaming is a bit of an iffy thing. It loves more cores, so it favors AMD in that respect, but you still need the game performance. This is a question of which is "good enough" for what you'll be streaming.

I do not consider (most) old games to be a reason to go Intel. Sure Sins of a Solar Empire still really cares about the CPU in big fights, but for almost every older game, both CPUs will put you beyond 60, so it's a moot point.

Find what you think you will be doing, and chose accordingly. They're both good enough in the fields they aren't best at that you won't regret buying either. Pricing also varies by location, and that can effect the choice as well.
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post #42 of 358
Plain and simple, no.

Being not as good doesn't mean they are a steaming pile of crap. Especially considering how much cheaper they are (I'm using Europe as a price reference). For the price of a FX8320 you don't even get an i5.
   
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I agree with the general sentiment on the thread. It all depends on your need and finding the right combination of parts to serve that requirement.
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post #44 of 358
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No way? And they have consumer motherboards? And not server motherboards!?!? *Sarcasm..

Ofcourse not. All we would need are some performance based boards like a rog fm2 board and a crapton of cooling
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I'll address it purely from a gaming perspective - yes they are as bad as people say

In some titles such as Skyrim, Starcraft 2, some MMOs, they perform worse then cheaper Intel equivalents, all while consuming more power

Add in that the current 8xxx are pigs to overclock-want to break 4.5ghz on the 8350 then you will need to be looking at water cooling, at which point you would be better off diverting funds to a intel setup

Now I will admit that 90% of games will be GPU bound and CPU wise will be irrelevant (even the old Phenom's won't stop you from hitting 60fps in a lot of titles) - but having spent more time on Skyrim then all other pc releases combined in the last 3 years its definately a deal breaker for me

As some type of a budget high end workstation for multithreaded apps (6-8 cores) - I can't really see where the AMD cpu's fit. While they may be value for money for these apps, the budget constraint will not exist for most who use these high end apps and will simply go for the better more powerful (albiet more expensive) 6-8 core Intel cpu

Lastly I wouldn't be concerned re this whole next gen console business. Even in Crysis 3 which supports 8 cores the 3770k dominates the FX8350 after the latest patch- at worst it's on par with the 8350 and at best its 50% faster. Even with twice the cores and optimizations which will not exist in many games for a couple of years, AMD still lose.

Maybe they'll bring it back with the Steamroller. I hope so because more choice is definately a better thing. But for now- pass.
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high TDP and low IPC, I'll pass but I do wish they were doing better because Intel needs competition.
but they need to improve immensely.

I'd have to take an i3-2120 / 3220 and lower end nVidia GPU like a GT 440 or something for a HTPC instead of AMD APU solutions.
and yes I'm a former AMD (Deneb) runner..
post #47 of 358
simply the Best of AMD isn't as good as the Best of intel. yet it depends on what you want to do.. if you want to stream, a nicely overclocked 8350 will be amazing and do you fine for its price instead of getting a 500$ Intel.
Gaming and going multi screen and cards.. that's intel's strength point.
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post #48 of 358
Well of course they are, they even eat your firstborn and pillage your native village. All Intel cpus plant trees and solve world hunger.

You'd have to be cruel to ever buy a AMD cpu.
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post #49 of 358
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If you are going to play PC games, Photoshop, code, develop, encode videos, etc... then just buy the best CPU you can afford for what you need to do.

For people who play PC games and work, I recommend having at least 2 PC's.
There are so many advantages to having more than one PC. It's hard for me to even remember them all.

1. Encode/render/process/.... on work PC while playing games on gaming PC.
2. If one PC breaks or has any problems, you have a second PC as backup. Backup PC can be used to test which components are broken.
3. For overclocking: look at bios on first PC, while google seaching bios overclocking instructions on second PC. No need to write down,remember, or print out bios overclocking instructions.
4. Overclocking can cause system instability. For a work PC, I require stability and longevity. For gaming PC, stability and longevity are less important (hence, more overclocking).
5. Spending big money on a cpu is a waste of money, in my opinion. I spent $300 on a intel q6600 in 2007 (for work and gaming). Recently spent $80 on a Athlon II x4 750k which can create rar files approximately 3 times faster. Most people dont need the fastest cpu on Earth. Do you really care if something encodes/renders in 5 minutes or 15 minutes? Make coffee, stretch your legs, do something else, ... while you wait. Occasionally, I encode video on my netbook. Depending on file size, encoding time is several hours to several days ... which is not a problem because I have 2 other PC's to use for work or gaming. While one PC (or netbook) is busy, I am working on a different PC.

To conclude ...
AMD cpu's are great for inexpensive work PC's, and sometimes for gaming too. Intel makes good mid-priced gaming cpu's and expensive work cpu's.
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Honestly, it's all down to what you want to do.

If you plan to encode videos all day long like me, you're going to have a very hard time beating a well clocked FX-83** with anything short of a 2011/x79 build. Same goes for heavy rendering, or pretty much anything else that will actually use 8 cores. If you're serious enough about it to be running a custom compiled linux distro, the AMD chips can seem like magic, but that's even more rare then finding someone who encodes often enough to truly justify an 8-core at all.

If you plan to play games, especially StarCraft II and games like it, then you want Intel. If you want QuadFire/SLI, you should be able to afford a 3930k at which point why would you bother with i5/AMD at all.

Streaming is a bit of an iffy thing. It loves more cores, so it favors AMD in that respect, but you still need the game performance. This is a question of which is "good enough" for what you'll be streaming.

I do not consider (most) old games to be a reason to go Intel. Sure Sins of a Solar Empire still really cares about the CPU in big fights, but for almost every older game, both CPUs will put you beyond 60, so it's a moot point.

Find what you think you will be doing, and chose accordingly. They're both good enough in the fields they aren't best at that you won't regret buying either. Pricing also varies by location, and that can effect the choice as well.

With the current line up of CPU's this is a very good summary though I do want to point out that even in 3D modeling/rendering there are situations where the higher single core performance of the Intel CPU's can and is an advantage (like physic simulation for instance).

In general you can't make a broad statement like AMD CPU's are better then Intel or vice versa. It always has to be is Intels model X better then AMD's model Y. Even then you must consider both price performance as well as actual performance and what the CPU will be used for.

The FX-8150 deserved a lot of the flack it got. Not only was its only marginally faster then its predecessor the PII X6 1100T but it was also slower then its direct competitor the 2500k even in situations where there was properly multithreaded code and its single thread performance down right stank.

The FX-8350 and its main rival the 3570k are much closer together and depending on the application trade blows. Naturally the FX-8350 has a hard time competing with Intels top offerings but thous CPU are also much more expensive so making a direct comparison would be unfair.
    
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