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Originally Posted by malmental View Post

I can clock my i3-3220 @ 3.62GHz with the BLK on my current 'test bench' motherboard...
I'll take that over the A10-5800K and whatever clocks it can reach...

my own experience just as you claim....

now what.?

You're talking about clocks, as irrelevant as they are.

I am talking about actual proof. Benchmarks. Games. Experience.

Overclocking is out of the question in my platform, I'm running an entire system, screen included off a 90W PSU.

BTW, run a set of benchmarks, both single and multithreaded.

I'll run them too. thumb.gif
Edited by Artikbot - 3/15/13 at 5:59am
   
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Well of course they are, they even eat your firstborn and pillage your native village. All Intel cpus plant trees and solve world hunger.

You'd have to be cruel to ever buy a AMD cpu.
this made me laugh so hard. But it's true, some people do think this way which is at the heart of fan-boyism. Honestly op, 95 percent of this intel vs. amd argument is "he said-she said" bullarky. I've used both amd and intel chips and I can honestly say that no one is "better" than the other. They are vastly different, that is all. It is all really up to you to decide which one is more suited for your needs.
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I've been hearing for a long time that AMD CPUs are far beyond Intel's. This is probably true if we're comparing AMD's highest tier with Intel's highest one (i7 third generation vs FX series), seeing as how Intel's high end CPUs are usually two (literally) times more expensive, I see this pretty logical (you're not going to compare a Samsung Galaxy SIV with an HTC Tatoo, right?), but when it comes to same tier (which would be FX vs i5) people still say that the i5 3570k completely beats the FX 8350 in every aspect by far. Is it really true? Most huge differences (over 5 FPS) come from single-threaded games or badly optimized ones (per-core performance in Intel is higher).

I've only used one AMD-powered computer in my life (the one I built myself long time ago, here it is really hard to find prebuilt AMD CPUs) and I must say that it's not bad at all. I'm surprised how a Phenom x4 2.2GHz can still be a solid option when gaming. Don't expect too much of it, specially if the GPU is not that good either, but it performs fine. I'm very happy with it and I don't think I made a bad purchase.

However, people still say that AMD CPUs are garbage and Intel's equivalent kicks AMD in the ass pretty bad. Is this true nowadays? I've been pretty much disconnected from all the hardware world for the last years so I don't know if this is an hyperbole or Intel has really left AMD that far. What do you think? What do you think that will happen after Microsoft and Sony release their consoles with 8-cored CPUs (PS4 is theoretically a Vishera APU)? And outside the gaming world, what do you think that happens and will happen with AMD vs Intel?

Tbh there high end mid range are way better for the price 8 cores clocked at 4ghz for 219.99 yes PLEASE. intel would charge about 20,000 for that processor on there side due to the fact it could probably run a small country by itself if it were an 8 core made by intel.

Amd shines in there APU selection i mean crossxfiring the on board graphics with i think the max is a 7870 is a rly cheap rly good solution to get a lot of performance for very little scratch.

Intel cpus dominate the non intergrated market but they are priced too highly for there performance increase

3770k >or= the um amd octa core clocked at 4ghz. stock intel is better but after overclocking in multi threaded apps the amd octa wins by far

Intel is just a better group of people in my opinion id rather them have my money then amd cause amd hasnt done anything rly to there cpu line in a long time, Bulldozer put me to sleep 15% increased performance wowzers. They scratched the 8000 series launch due to not being able to increase performance high enough, mainly because they would have to lower prices on 7000 series and they dont want to do that at all they think they can go 2 years without releasing a card that puts over 15% increase on there top performer, they are wrong. I just dont like there business ethics they arent for the people (dont get me wrong neither is nvidia or intel but nivida and intel dont claim to be like amd does)

Cost of manufacturing a 7970 was data mined to be over 650% less then what they sell it for they pay like 50 bucks a card and throw it out like its a bone to us for 400 bucks

Fairly priced 7970s would cost 250-299.99 but then there older cards 6000 series and lower end cards below the 7770 would become obsolete for the price.

If they priced 7970s at 250-300 i would buy 3 and call it a day, they had the bawls to put out the Ares II and price it at $1500 dollars..

1500 dollars for a card that is made up of 2x $400 dollar gpu's.... you could buy 4x of those gpu's for $1500 dollars...
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Everyone complaining about locked i3s will be happy to know haswell will allow for bclk straps so the 4.5ghz i3 will be returning
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You know I love how so many people get caught up in benchmarks and forget that at the end of the day a benchmark number is meaningless. What matters most is not a benchmark number but does the chip let you do what you want to do with your computer.

My main system runs an i5 3550 and even at stock speeds there is nothing I have thrown at it that the processor makes unplayable or unusable. All of my games play just as well as my work rig which is an i7 3820 overclocked to 4.5GHz. While the benchmarks all say the i7 is faster there is not a single thing I do on my computer outside of some professional level audio work that the i7 gives me a better experience at than the i5.

What about AMD? Well sitting under the desk next to me is the beat of a case that is my wife's PC and in it is an A10 5800K running at stock speeds. She has a solid video card in it, an HD 7870 and again there is no game that my i5 or i7 play that hers cannot play and the experience is the same. She plays Skyrim with quite a few mods and her game is nice and smooth. She plays Borderlands 2 on it and it looks perfect. Recently she has started playing Tomb Raider and the game runs excellent. She is even playing Crysis 3 ( marry a gamer it is so worth it) and while the video is obviously not maxed out, thanks to the video card, she still have a game that looks great and plays smooth.

The reason for all the above is to point out that AMD, even with the budget APU lineup is able to deliver an outstanding computing experience, equal to that of Intel provided you look past the benchmarks.

A good analogy of this is car motors. Sure you can buy a monster huge V12 engine and it will give more horsepower and more top end. But at the end of the day when most people are only driving 55 to 65 the V12 is no better than the V6 or even a 4 banger. They all drive 55 to 65 just fine.

Intel makes an awesome chip and no one is denying it but even Intel has begun to realize the CPU is not advancing much each step. Look at the i7 launch of Ivybridge. We got the single i7 and a single i7 Extreme. Sandy bridge got a couple of i7 chips and so did the Extreme. The boost just is not there so why try to market it.

AMD does have an edge when it comes to the lower end chips. If you are bot going to use discrete video then the APU slaps Intel. However even if you are going budget with a discrete card AMD offers better value up until the i5 lineup and there it balances out pretty much in the end.

To answer the OPs' question, no AMD is not all that bad. It is slower in benchmarks at similar price points but in computing experience is about equal. The FX has a lead in price to performance for heavy multi-tasking but that is the only lead the FX series has.

My advice would be find the total solution that fits your budget, be it Intel or AMD and you will be happy either way.
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Everyone complaining about locked i3s will be happy to know haswell will allow for bclk straps so the 4.5ghz i3 will be returning

I think it's too late for that though. An unlocked sandy or ivy i3 would have been amazing but games are starting to show significant gains with more than two real cores more than ever now.

I really wish steamroller was coming out sooner.

@ the thread. Yes I think they are pretty poor chips. They have much higher power consumption than the competition, they have much lower IPC than the competition and they don't overclock much higher to make up for it. If piledriver at least had the IPC of 2008's nehalem then I wouldn't see much of a problem with these chips, but its 2013 and they still don't. That's just bad when you think about it.
Edited by Derp - 3/15/13 at 6:26am
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I think it's too late for that though. An unlocked sandy or ivy i3 would have been amazing but games are starting to show significant gains with more than two real cores more than ever now.

And even when games do not, Windows makes an awesome job at balancing load between cores, which makes a quadcore a far better decision than a dualcore.
   
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I didn't think it was that big of a 'little issue' LoL to warrant a few more responses.
I guess it boils down to what a person likes, I prefer the 3220 + dedicated option for a few dollars more than the APU option.
and having the 3220 on a Z77 board can be quite fun....
I did however say HTPC from the start and not main rig as I also have power consumption in mind...

smile.gif

edit:
and I got called 'foolish'.... that's quite ignorant on the insulting parties behalf.. rolleyes.gif
Edited by malmental - 3/15/13 at 7:28am
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I've been hearing for a long time that AMD CPUs are far beyond Intel's. This is probably true if we're comparing AMD's highest tier with Intel's highest one (i7 third generation vs FX series), seeing as how Intel's high end CPUs are usually two (literally) times more expensive, I see this pretty logical (you're not going to compare a Samsung Galaxy SIV with an HTC Tatoo, right?), but when it comes to same tier (which would be FX vs i5) people still say that the i5 3570k completely beats the FX 8350 in every aspect by far. Is it really true? Most huge differences (over 5 FPS) come from single-threaded games or badly optimized ones (per-core performance in Intel is higher).

I've only used one AMD-powered computer in my life (the one I built myself long time ago, here it is really hard to find prebuilt AMD CPUs) and I must say that it's not bad at all. I'm surprised how a Phenom x4 2.2GHz can still be a solid option when gaming. Don't expect too much of it, specially if the GPU is not that good either, but it performs fine. I'm very happy with it and I don't think I made a bad purchase.

However, people still say that AMD CPUs are garbage and Intel's equivalent kicks AMD in the ass pretty bad. Is this true nowadays? I've been pretty much disconnected from all the hardware world for the last years so I don't know if this is an hyperbole or Intel has really left AMD that far. What do you think? What do you think that will happen after Microsoft and Sony release their consoles with 8-cored CPUs (PS4 is theoretically a Vishera APU)? And outside the gaming world, what do you think that happens and will happen with AMD vs Intel?

No matter what experts here say! I thank AMD. If it wasn't for my AMD cpu I would never have got into such great forum i.e. OCN. My gratitude to all staff and weirdly crazy overclockers & knowledgeable members!
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Ofcourse not. All we would need are some performance based boards like a rog fm2 board and a crapton of cooling

a 16 core opteron costs as much as a 3930K, needs twice the cooling potential if you run it at FX level frequencies and you would need to OC it to 4.6GHz to beat a 4.8GHz 3930K in cinebench.

That's completely forgetting anything that doesn't use all the threads to the max.
 
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