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Originally Posted by ez12a View Post

except the imac isnt just a computer monitor.

how many other AIOs even offer VESA?

Right on point here! Used to have to take those apart all the time and yeah most aios don't have this included or at least they didn't. Hopefully that's changing.
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post #112 of 124
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1. The amount is not important, it could be $0.40 or $4000 for all I care, I was interested in the reason for the amount

2. I know that, I work in the manufacturing industry. However if we are producing two comparable items and one is more expensive than the other there will be a reason for it - either due to cost of manufacture, bill of materials or licensing / customs / anything else.

3. So I am judged based on other's actions? Great. Nice job guys thumb.gif


I guess it is easier to attack the questioner than answer the question.

Edit: Again, if Apple have decided that this feature is worth $40 then that is fine. If I were in the market for an AIO that would be mounted on a swivel arm or a wall then I would be happy to pay a nominal amount for that feature. I would still like to know why.

Heck I have been on the phone today with a vendor asking why a slight change to our drawing has resulted in an extra $10,000 to the price. On a $2.3m order. We don't really care about the amount, it is nothing, we care about the reason.

i wasn't personally attacking you, just explaining the irony/silliness of your statement. in the free market, the cost of non-essential goods (to the consumer) and the cost of manufacturing goods are rarely close. and this isn't even a particularly extreme example. why do my sneakers that probably cost $2 to make in malaysia cost $65 at the store?

even though items that are more expensive to manufacture typically cost more, that doesn't mean that they accurately reflect manufacturing cost at all. the only way you will see items come close to the cost of production would be if a government is engaged in some form of price fixing, which they do for stuff like food. so basically you're upset that the government does not engage in price fixing for consumer electronics, which would probably destroy competition in the sector?
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the only way you will see items come close to the cost of production would be if a government is engaged in some form of price fixing, which they do for stuff like food. so basically you're upset that the government does not engage in price fixing for consumer electronics, which would probably destroy competition in the sector?

Whaaa....?

Who said anything about price fixing, government or so on? I give up.

I am not upset (with Apple at least, other things yes)

I do not care how much they charge.

I just wanted to know if there was a reason for the cost. That. Is. All.



Limited run is the only thing that makes sense. I will take that as the reason and leave.
Edited by GingerJohn - 3/22/13 at 12:48pm
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post #114 of 124
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Whaaa....?

Who said anything about price fixing, government or so on? I give up.

I am not upset (with Apple at least, other things yes)

I do not care how much they charge.

I just wanted to know if there was a reason for the cost. That. Is. All.



Limited run is the only thing that makes sense. I will take that as the reason and leave.

He's giving you a perfectly understandable reason. Nobody is going to mark-up shoes to 5% over cost when people are willing to pay more. It's like you're just choosing to ignore everyone.
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This makes nice for a really good minimalistic setup biggrin.gif
post #116 of 124
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Originally Posted by Ruei View Post

Right on point here! Used to have to take those apart all the time and yeah most aios don't have this included or at least they didn't. Hopefully that's changing.

yup. usually only business oriented AIOs like Dell Optiplex and HP 8300s actually have the forethought of putting VESA in. current consumer oriented AIOs with VESA i can probably only count on one hand.

AIOs that dont have VESA:
-HP Spectre
-Vizio
-Dell XPS One 27
-Apparently the Z1, but i'm discounting that as a workstation and not end consumer.

in fact none of the ones listed here have any:
http://reviews.cnet.com/best-all-in-one-computers/

none on the first page of this (all i bothered to look through):
http://reviews.cnet.com/desktops/?filter=1101504_13055307

^hp envy 23 is the only one w/ VESA.
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imacs r junk

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Who said I don't work in the manufacturing business? While I don't work in the consumer manufacturing business like you do, make no mistake, our company has been manufacturing hardware for the television broadcast and airborne law enforcement industries for 13 years longer than NZXT has even in existence, so if you care to refute what I said about the costs of adding 4 M4 threaded holes in a 75mm holes pattern to your design, by all means, present a detailed argument, as I did.

From a raw materials perspective I agree with you, but for someone who claims to work in the manufacturing business you're incredibly naive.

It isn't as simple just slapping a bit of aluminium on the back and calling it a day. I work in the defence industry and it can cost thousands to clear a simple foot pump for use on an aircraft as ground equipment. Bearing in mind that the foot pump itself does a relatively simple job and only costs £200 to procure from a buyer.

In this day and age everything needs to be qualified, engineers have charging rates you know, per hour. This 'simple bit of aluminium' most probably had to go through a clearance procedure including writing out a specification for what is needed, hazard analysis for safety, an engineer has to do all of that and a design manager has to sign it off. Clearance procedures cost money, more than you think in most cases. Granted I'm bias towards safety critical components and the heavy clearance evidence that is required before it goes operational, but I doubt other manufacturers have dissimilar processes in place. The last thing Apple need is for this thing to fail, and the screen land on a toddlers head. In a court of law you need to demonstrate a reasonable consideration for product safety, the only you can do that is prove you've done an investigation with a clear audit trail, otherwise they'd get taken to the cleaners.

I'm in no way implying that the profit margins on this item are not insane, they most probably are, but things definitely are not as clear cut as you've made out in your couple of posts.
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Whaaa....?

Who said anything about price fixing, government or so on? I give up.

I am not upset (with Apple at least, other things yes)

I do not care how much they charge.

I just wanted to know if there was a reason for the cost. That. Is. All.



Limited run is the only thing that makes sense. I will take that as the reason and leave.

um i was just trying to explain how the free market works. the cost of a product reflects what people are willing to pay, not purely the cost to produce. i assumed you would understand this, since supposedly you work in manufacturing thumb.gif
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From a raw materials perspective I agree with you, but for someone who claims to work in the manufacturing business you're incredibly naive.

It isn't as simple just slapping a bit of aluminium on the back and calling it a day. I work in the defence industry and it can cost thousands to clear a simple foot pump for use on an aircraft as ground equipment. Bearing in mind that the foot pump itself does a relatively simple job and only costs £200 to procure from a buyer.

In this day and age everything needs to be qualified, engineers have charging rates you know, per hour. This 'simple bit of aluminium' most probably had to go through a clearance procedure including writing out a specification for what is needed, hazard analysis for safety, an engineer has to do all of that and a design manager has to sign it off. Clearance procedures cost money, more than you think in most cases. Granted I'm bias towards safety critical components and the heavy clearance evidence that is required before it goes operational, but I doubt other manufacturers have dissimilar processes in place. The last thing Apple need is for this thing to fail, and the screen land on a toddlers head. In a court of law you need to demonstrate a reasonable consideration for product safety, the only you can do that is prove you've done an investigation with a clear audit trail, otherwise they'd get taken to the cleaners.

I'm in no way implying that the profit margins on this item are not insane, they most probably are, but things definitely are not as clear cut as you've made out in your couple of posts.

Some fair points but aren't you exaggerating quite a bit? This is just a VESA mount. The specification already exist to an extent in the form of the VESA standard and the rest is fairly straightforward engineering. For safety they probably did a load-bearing test with some prototypes and gave it a good for up to x amount of Kg before moving to mass production.
    
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