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Well frankly, THAT noctua fan is generally leaky for those who uses it and yes they are made rather badly, so badly you won't notice the oil leaking but they do and you can barely see them in the strange brown colour smile.gif

Well in that case, what Noctua cooler would you reccomend as an upgrade from the NH-U12P SE2?
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Air coolers are bulky, a pain to maintain (if you ever need to do work on your CPU) or even to work around, they generally are annoying to install, and they still don't perform as good as AIO coolers. Go with an H80i or H100i. With those choices, you can guarantee yourself sitting at 4.7/4.8GHz, if not more considering you might have a great chip (you never overclocked it before so you dont even know what it is capable of).

Most of the air coolers being recommended, aside from a few are in the same price range as an H80i or H100i. So I really don't see the point in going with an Air Cooler. AIO coolers look cleaner, and sleeker. Of course that may be opinionated but nevertheless, do you really want to deal with the hassles of having an Air Cooler? It could take me 10 mins or less, if I ever had to; to remove the AIO water block from my CPU, remove the CPU, clean the old TIM from the CPU, re-seat the CPU, reapply fresh new TIM, and then fasten down the AIO water block again... try doing that with an Air Cooler.... rolleyes.gif
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Okay, I'll consider that. What are the pros and cons of having an AMD GPU or does it really not matter other than drivers?
One of the pros of AMD cards are they're "bang for buck" if you will. For the price you pay, you get a lot of performance. There aren't that many cons... unless you're looking for a "top of the range" GPU, and usually Nvidia holds that title tongue.gif I'm sure a lot of ppl will disagree.
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Also, for the two manufacturers, are the Sapphire and MSI twin-frozer (that frogger4 suggested) two good GPUs to choose between? What other types should I be considering?

The twin-frozer is great but if you cant find one, Sapphire is the way to go.
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Air coolers are bulky, a pain to maintain (if you ever need to do work on your CPU) or even to work around, they generally are annoying to install, and they still don't perform as good as AIO coolers. Go with an H80i or H100i. With those choices, you can guarantee yourself sitting at 4.7/4.8GHz, if not more considering you might have a great chip (you never overclocked it before so you dont even know what it is capable of).

Most of the air coolers being recommended, aside from a few are in the same price range as an H80i or H100i. So I really don't see the point in going with an Air Cooler. AIO coolers look cleaner, and sleeker. Of course that may be opinionated but nevertheless, do you really want to deal with the hassles of having an Air Cooler? It could take me 10 mins or less, if I ever had to; to remove the AIO water block from my CPU, remove the CPU, clean the old TIM from the CPU, re-seat the CPU, reapply fresh new TIM, and then fasten down the AIO water block again... try doing that with an Air Cooler.... rolleyes.gif

Hey, I definitely get your point. I've been hearing some bad things about the sound produced by the H80i, though (which I'd end up getting over the H100i due to my small-ish case). I've leaned towards the Noctua heat sinks because they have such a good reputation for being quiet and keeping the CPU very cold. I don't care much for looks as I don't have a transparent side panel. I am still open to something like the H80i, but I would need some convincing (i.e. how loud it really is, if I could replace the fan/with what, and temperates of the H80i v. Noctua coolers). Additionally, you mentioned the hassles of an air cooler; I've heard just as many bad things about water cooling devices breaking or being faulty, so I'm not going to let those technicalities influence my decision (for the most part).

Thanks for the post, but I definitely need some more information before being convinced that a water cooling system is superior.
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One of the pros of AMD cards are they're "bang for buck" if you will. For the price you pay, you get a lot of performance. There aren't that many cons... unless you're looking for a "top of the range" GPU, and usually Nvidia holds that title tongue.gif I'm sure a lot of ppl will disagree.
The twin-frozer is great but if you cant find one, Sapphire is the way to go.

Hey, thanks for your input. I've basically decided on getting the Sapphire Vapor-X for now. I'll update the thread if that changes.

(Also I'm off for the night. Will check the thread again when I wake up. At the moment I'm mainly trying to decide on which heat sink to get and am mainly between the Corsair H80i or a Noctua (not sure which to get, so input would be awesome). Any information about this would be great.)
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Hey, I definitely get your point. I've been hearing some bad things about the sound produced by the H80i, though (which I'd end up getting over the H100i due to my small-ish case). I've leaned towards the Noctua heat sinks because they have such a good reputation for being quiet and keeping the CPU very cold. I don't care much for looks as I don't have a transparent side panel. I am still open to something like the H80i, but I would need some convincing (i.e. how loud it really is, if I could replace the fan/with what, and temperates of the H80i v. Noctua coolers). Additionally, you mentioned the hassles of an air cooler; I've heard just as many bad things about water cooling devices breaking or being faulty, so I'm not going to let those technicalities influence my decision (for the most part).

Thanks for the post, but I definitely need some more information before being convinced that a water cooling system is superior.

My H100, even with four 55dB Delta Fans attached to it, when set on their lowest setting it is like next to nothing - if it doesn't bother my girlfriend while we watch TV or Movies, I don't see how it could bother some Gamer with gigantic headphones blasting in their ears. Besides, the stock Corsair fans that come with the H100 or H80 are pretty quiet; especially on their lowest setting (and still perform well on their lowest settings). So, I really dont know why anyone would make such ridiculous claims; other than they are Air Cooler fan boys and don't want to let go of their primitive age old technology so they need a reason to nit pick about something new.

Lastly, the amount of cases of AIO water coolers failing are pretty small, and most of the time it seems that the companies have replaced whatever was damaged if that is the case.

In the end, it's up to you. Everyone is going to have their qualms with anything computer related, but about two years ago when I first decided to do this build. I was originally planning on going with a really nice Air Cooler (D14 or SilverArrow to be exact). Someone said, if you are going to spend that much money go with an H100. So I did, based on the many great reviews it had. From this day on, it has never let me down. I continually am able to increase the overclock on my CPU for bench runs, and it continually stays cool (granted I've installed different fans, it still was no different before the fans - I was still seeing very nice temperatures for the amount of volts I was pumping through the CPU). The H100 and basically any high quality AIO (like NZXT's Kraken for instance) will make any person happy after having one installed in their computer.

Personally, I think air cooling is holding back the computer industry. Water Cooling should become a standard. That can't happen until people stop giving money to dated technology and cooling techniques. Going with an AIO assists the process, in moving the industry forward (of course this is my opinion which I'm willing to bet many may want to argue, but regardless of what they say or think - in 10 years Air Cooling CPU's will be non-existent, period).

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Edited by BiG StroOnZ - 3/17/13 at 3:00am
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He cant fit a H100 or H100I he tried
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He cant fit a H100 or H100I he tried

Yeah, I don't think I can. Also, I think I would like to change which Noctua cooler I get. Could I fit a D14?
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Yeah, I don't think I can. Also, I think I would like to change which Noctua cooler I get. Could I fit a D14?

In a small case if you can get it in there it would take up a lot of space you might be better off with something smaller
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In a small case if you can get it in there it would take up a lot of space you might be better off with something smaller

I'm not using the case for anything else. I've read on some other forums that people have put D14s in the 400Rs. I'm thinking I should probably just do that.
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