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Originally Posted by Kaltenbrunner View Post

Is it a physical problem with the chip, or something a patch will fix later? I don't currently use USB 3 vs USB 2, so would I be fine getting a chip+mobo in June even if it was bugged?
Its an issue with the chipset. They have just fixed it but the new silicon wont hit OEMs until august-september.
 
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so the mobo chipset, and most of the back panel USB is USB3 I read somewhere. Will they work normally at USB2.0 ? I should search this prob
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post #33 of 52
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For one: It's not the processor at fault. It's the chipset on the motherboards.

I don't buy that. If it was a chipset only issue and NOT the Haswell, then why is Intel fixing the Haswell with C2 stepping and not fixing the chipset on the motherboard. If the chipset TRULY is the fault, then the chipset should be fixed.

Regardless, Intel should NOT be releasing the C1 stepped Haswells now. They should eat the C1's and release the FIXED ones (ie C2) and not cause confusion. I mean it's not like Haswell has been out for a year and they are just discovering this problem. They found and FIXED the issue BEFORE any chips where shipped.

Have they learned nothing from the Pentium FDIV bug and the $40 million is cost them? Or are they just planning on making "Haswell Keychains" like they did before?
Edited by 47 Knucklehead - 4/8/13 at 1:15pm
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I don't buy that. If it was a chipset only issue and NOT the Haswell, then why is Intel fixing the Haswell with C2 stepping and not fixing the chipset on the motherboard. If the chipset TRULY is the fault, then the chipset should be fixed.

Regardless, Intel should NOT be releasing the C1 stepped Haswells now. They should eat the C1's and release the FIXED ones (ie C2) and not cause confusion. I mean it's not like Haswell has been out for a year and they are just discovering this problem. They found and FIXED the issue BEFORE any chips where shipped.

Have they learned nothing from the Pentium FDIV bug and the $40 million is cost them? Or are they just planning on making "Haswell Keychains" like they did before?

Emm, because the Motherboard Chipset is being respinned for the fix at this time?
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Intel is initiating a C1 to C2 stepping conversion for the Intel 8-series/C220-series chipsets. C2 stepping has a metal layers change to fix the USB SuperSpeed device remuneration erratum. The C2 stepping of the Intel 8/C220 chipsets is pin-to-pin compatible with the C1 stepping and does not require any motherboard modifications. Based on USB SuperSpeed design fix implementation there is no need for full electrical regression testing, so hardware makers can install the new chipsets on existing designs.

Plus this problem can be easily circumvented by Bio defaulting to the new Sleep States S0iX introduced by Haswell.
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I was planning my first build in july and I was going for haswell.

Is C1 really gonna be that bad?
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I was planning my first build in july and I was going for haswell.

Is C1 really gonna be that bad?

If you have C1 stepping Motherboard and need to use a USB3.0 motherboard just check the default Sleep state in the motherboard, switch it off S3 sleep(to S2 or S0iX) and you will do just fine. I heard no other problem with the C1 Motherboard Chipset.
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It just seems unlikely to me that this will have a negative impact.
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Emm, because the Motherboard Chipset is being respinned for the fix at this time?
Plus this problem can be easily circumvented by Bio defaulting to the new Sleep States S0iX introduced by Haswell.

Yes, I know, I've seen the same articles for the past several days.

What I said before still stands, no matter how many times, on how many different threads you keep showing the same article to me ...
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I mean it's not like Haswell has been out for a year and they are just discovering this problem. They found and FIXED the issue BEFORE any chips where shipped.
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Yes, I know, I've seen the same articles for the past several days.

What I said before still stands, no matter how many times, on how many different threads you keep showing the same article to me ...

Except it does not, the S3 issue can so easily be circumvented by defaulting the BIOS to the newer(and probably better) sleep states S0iX which most likely received far more testing than S3 in Haswell Chipset test, and what good is it financially to recycle the C1 chipset before figuring out if you can actually make profit on it? Judging by the response of the article there are plenty of people not bothered by it and will buy Haswell in June regardless of said nuisance.
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Judging by the response of the article there are plenty of people not bothered by it and will buy Haswell in June regardless of said nuisance.

Knowingly shipping a bugged chip even, regardless of how trivial YOU think it is, although you already have identified the problem and fixed it even before you have sold one damn chip is a bit more than "an nuisance".
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