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CallsignVega : Question

So I have 3 7970's and I just know something isn't right. I have noticed this stuttering for some time now. And now with all these frame latency reviews it points out the very thing I been experiencing all along.

I want to ask you since you have used 7970's and Titans and 120hz. What is your opinion on the frame latency issue? I believe it is very noticeable at 120hz and maybe not as much visible at 60hz. But since I game at 120hz this is really annoying owning these 3x7970's frame latency along with really long wait for driver update/fixes has lead me to month after month to increasingly despise these GPU's more and more with time.

What is your take on this?
 
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The point was the FPS is capped you can't uncap it.
Only COD4 or Black Ops can be uncapped. MW2 will do 90FPS all day long there is no way to make it go higher.

So, why is it that programs such as FRAPs show higher FPS when running benchmarks in said game?
   
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Wow this is intense Vega. I'm coming along for the ride. bike.gif
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CallsignVega : Question

So I have 3 7970's and I just know something isn't right. I have noticed this stuttering for some time now. And now with all these frame latency reviews it points out the very thing I been experiencing all along.

I want to ask you since you have used 7970's and Titans and 120hz. What is your opinion on the frame latency issue? I believe it is very noticeable at 120hz and maybe not as much visible at 60hz. But since I game at 120hz this is really annoying owning these 3x7970's frame latency along with really long wait for driver update/fixes has lead me to month after month to increasingly despise these GPU's more and more with time.

What is your take on this?

Try Vsync or frame limiting and see if that helps.
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CallsignVega : Question

So I have 3 7970's and I just know something isn't right. I have noticed this stuttering for some time now. And now with all these frame latency reviews it points out the very thing I been experiencing all along.

I want to ask you since you have used 7970's and Titans and 120hz. What is your opinion on the frame latency issue? I believe it is very noticeable at 120hz and maybe not as much visible at 60hz. But since I game at 120hz this is really annoying owning these 3x7970's frame latency along with really long wait for driver update/fixes has lead me to month after month to increasingly despise these GPU's more and more with time.

What is your take on this?

Interested in this also. Karlitos and TSM are also running quadfire setups you could shoot them a PM. I've been interested in hearing the responses of people that run tri-quadfire setups, cause i was going for crossfire and maybe trifire down the road.
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Try Vsync or frame limiting and see if that helps.
I been trying everything for over a year now. I can't do Vsync because of input lag drives me crazy, but it doesn't matter anyway I have 120hz. Its not the same thing. Your happy with 60hz with vsync, but I am not. I know how it should look. Because my two 570's worked well on old games with this monitor. And I can't accomplish the same smoothness in the same old games. And certainly not with newer titles, and now more evidence is being released as to that reason being frame latency.

Little off topic now. Sorry about that,

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You know, when I had my 4-way 7970 Lightning setup, I always kept fps at 120+ (no VSync, I use frame capping). I really didn't notice any micro-stuttering. I think micro-stuttering is in the realm of 60 Hz displays in which you cannot maintain 60+ FPS at all times. At 120+ Hz/FPS, the frames come much faster so harder to notice stuttering. I couldn't quite put my hand on something missing from the "smoothness" area. It's like the FPS counter would be telling you 120+, but it wouldn't "feel" like 120+ like it does with SLI. I don't know if it was because of uneven frames or what, but 120 FPS felt like it was a much lower FPS..

I really hope AMD gets it worked out with their new drivers this summer. NVIDIA goes crazy with $1000 graphics cards with AMD as competition. Could you imagine how big their heads would get if AMD falters? redface.gif
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As usual a fine looking beast build...the loop design is really clever, but I wonder how the insulation will work. rolleyes.gif
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You know, when I had my 4-way 7970 Lightning setup, I always kept fps at 120+ (no VSync, I use frame capping). I really didn't notice any micro-stuttering. I think micro-stuttering is in the realm of 60 Hz displays in which you cannot maintain 60+ FPS at all times. At 120+ Hz/FPS, the frames come much faster so harder to notice stuttering. I couldn't quite put my hand on something missing from the "smoothness" area. It's like the FPS counter would be telling you 120+, but it wouldn't "feel" like 120+ like it does with SLI. I don't know if it was because of uneven frames or what, but 120 FPS felt like it was a much lower FPS..

I really hope AMD gets it worked out with their new drivers this summer. NVIDIA goes crazy with $1000 graphics cards with AMD as competition. Could you imagine how big their heads would get if AMD falters? redface.gif

Those two statements almost seem to be opposing them selves. But at any rate I think your saying the same thing.

My theory is 60hz already has some what of a lag so while displaying 60fps or 120fps on a 60hz screen you won't notice frame latency because the lag at which the frame is already displaying makes it looked synced. And for those using frame capping and/or vsync with AMD crossfire with 60hz don't tend to complain about anything because everything is displayed a a pace which there eyes are already use to.

But on the other hand the people trying to achieve 120fps at 120hz are the ones that are noticing the frame latency. Because they are looking at there displays with a nice 120hz for desktop mode and some games even seem be really silky smooth 120fps, while other games that suffer from frame latency are very obvious not looking as smooth. Essentially the guys like me trying to display 120fps sometimes feel more like they are only seeing 60 to 90 fps.
 
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Yes, it is the same problem no matter which refresh rate you have. You want frames delivered at exact intervals. At 120 Hz, that is exactly 8.333 ms. Say a frame arrives at 4 ms, then one at 12 ms. That is what screws everything up and makes the game "feel" like only 80 FPS when FRAPS is counting 120+. That is why SLI has been generally considered better in that regard as NVIDIA implements "frame metering" to ensure the frames are spaced appropriately. This is only something AMD can fix with drivers.


Here is the guy that works for NVIDIA applying the TIM to my 4th Titan right before his siezure:


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And the result:


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I've got to win a prize for the most free TIM! I got a shovel out of the garage and filled up a bucket about half way. biggrin.gif
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