Originally Posted by tpi2007
Intel realised that enthusiasts require more added performance per upgrade than what they are currently offering (besides, only a minority upgrade every year), that is why Broadwell won't be available in socketed form, because it doesn't make much sense. On the other hand, when the successor to Broadwell arrives, the added IPC on top of what Broadwell will be offering, along with a mature 14nm process, will make the proposal a lot more desirable for enthusiasts. Other consumers who want something new will buy Broadwell equipped PCs, and won't mind the lack of CPU upgradeability because they are not enthusiasts. We''ll see how much sense that makes from a repairability and logistics point of view, but that is another story.
Originally Posted by wutang61
The BGA only packaging has me concerned for broadwell. LGA "may" return for skylake.
Skylake-E was my next planned upgrade so let's hope they keep LGA around.
Ugh, why are people here repeating this sort of garbage? The Intel 'switch to BGA only on mainstream processors from Broadwell onward' myth has been debunked, so why are the people in this thread repeating this woo again?
From all I've read so far, I'm really not very interested in Haswell, for a few reasons. I'm planning to upgrade to Ivy Bridge-E when it's released later this year. The Haswell platform doesn't seem to have much on the Ivy Bridge Line in terms of new features that have average real-world advantage. For some reason Intel seems to be choosing to pair it with a pathetically underwhelming chipset, For example, the supported DDR3 speed is 1600, which is absurd. Even the supposed excuse of wanting to save costs for business customers isn't enough. Intel has a monopoly, they can move the standards higher if they just choose to. If for some reason a better chipset costs more to develop and implement, people will still buy it, $20 more per motherboard or not.
There is, however, another possibility. perhaps Intel isn't putting much effort into the Haswell chipset because it's the last mainstream DDR3 chipset/socket. Underdesigning it in this way would make sense then, so they could differentiate it from Broadwell. From what I hear, rumour has it that Intel will start moving on DDR4 in 2014. Now, think about this. If they didn't bake in DDR4 support to the accompanying chipset next year, they'd have to wait for the next major mainstream lineup release of processors the year after, 2015. DDR4 has been around as a physical item for years now, it just hasn't been taken up yet. But it's certainly on the minds of anyone in Intel who is considering the product roadmap ahead. Business customers and corporate customers will start growling at Intel privately more and more if things aren't moving on that front. They're under a constant slight pressure from outside and within to bring it under the hood, so it's just a question of when. This is also why we'll see Ivy Bridge E this year, early December at the latest; in time for christmas. Haswell E, according to what would make sense timing-wise, MUST be coming between June-December next year, to give IBE a sales window of sensible size. And according to what we've been hearing from Intel, they seem to be thinking of pushing out DDR4 with Haswell E for the first commercial implementation of it.
So, this means three things:
1) That IBE will be the last processor lineup for X79 as we know it.
2) Haswell-E will arrive with DDR4 support integrated in the CPU arch. and chipset, which means we will have a new chipset, and possibly even a redesigned LGA 2011 socket or a new similar one
3) LGA 1150 will likely be a one-off, because to integrate DDR4 into Broadwell, Intel will have to issue a new chipset, if not a new or redesigned socket; either of which would mean these boards would be incompatible with Haswell CPU's.