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970 launched around $885 in July 2010, it was later dropped to $570 sometime in 2011. My point being Intel didn't let lose a $600 level Gulftown chip until almost a year after launch.

remember thinking wth is it so expensive when it launched
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Gaming laptop need a decent IGP for media consumption/Quick Sync while main GPU is under Enduro/Optimus. Plus not all QM/XM are for Gaming Laptop, and the hefty price & margin associated with i7 QM/XM suggest that even if I won't buy it someone else does/will.

You didn't read my comment so why I should I re-read yours?
I did read yours. But replying to a reply in which you didn't read mine correctly, I'm not even going to go there. Get your head out of your dark smelly spot.

A gaming laptop needs a good discrete GPU. Anyone who has owned a laptop for gaming will know that. Again, I'm not saying to dumb down the HD 4000 on the upper end. Re-re-read my post.
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I did read yours. But replying to a reply in which you didn't read mine correctly, I'm not even going to go there. Get your head out of your dark smelly spot.

A gaming laptop needs a good discrete GPU. Anyone who has owned a laptop for gaming will know that. Again, I'm not saying to dumb down the HD 4000 on the upper end. Re-re-read my post.

HD 2500 exist on low end Desktop chips for those low end I3M chips on business laptop not needing much GPU performance, & desktop chips intended to use with dGPU(i3-3220).

15" MacBook Pro & similar mobile workstation/media consumption laptop is by no means a gaming laptop, yet packs a Quad core Intel i7 XM/QM mobile chip. Thus proving i7 XM/QM selling target is not limited to gaming laptops.
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HD 2500 exist on low end Desktop chips for those low end I3M chips on business laptop not needing much GPU performance, & desktop chips intended to use with dGPU(i3-3220).

15" MacBook Pro is by no means a gaming laptop, yet packs a Quad core Intel mobile chip.
Nevermind, you just don't get it.

Go buy your 15" MacBook Pro.
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Nevermind, you just don't get it.

Go buy your 15" MacBook Pro.

Why should I? Just because I don't buy doesn't mean it is not a profitable product.
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Why should I? Just because I don't buy doesn't mean it is not a profitable product.

You questioned the necessity of HD4000 on i5/i7 desktop chips, I countered that those desktop chips have HD4000 because the mobile chips made from the same production line needs the HD4000.
blah-blah-blah, I said no such thing. Go buy more $1500 laptops with HD4000's in them. GG no re.
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blah-blah-blah, I said no such thing. Go buy more $1500 laptops with HD4000's in them. GG no re.

Fact is such Laptop is selling and Intel is getting sizeable margins on those $1500 laptop with HD4000 in them. Whether I find them a reasonable purchase decision for me is completely irrelevant.
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At any rate, one of my beef's with Intel is their iGPU with mid-to-low level CPU's. Ivy Bridge, for instance, I would think it would be more beneficial to have an HD 4000 in all of the CPU's, rather than dumb it down on the mid-to-low level ones with HD 2500's and just have the top-end ones with the HD 4000.

I already stated that there are markets of people only needing HD2500( i3M on low end laptops, i3-3220 for people pairing it with a 7870 on a low end gaming rig ), Intel do offer HD4000 for i3 in the form of i3-3225. But there is no evidence that HD2500 products are not selling well, so why not sell lower cost(Ivy dies with HD2500 are smaller) parts if they sell?
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I already stated that there are markets of people only needing HD2500( i3M on low end laptops, i3-3220 for people pairing it with a 7870 on a low end gaming rig ), Intel do offer HD4000 for i3 in the form of i3-3225. But there is no evidence that HD2500 products are not selling well.
McFly? Anyone in there McFly?

i3-3220 with HD 2500 = $114.99 at Newegg (after $15 off Promo)
i3-3225 with HD 4000 = $144.99 at Newegg

$30 more for just an HD 4000 upgrade.

AMD A10-5800K that performs on par with the i3-3225 at the CPU level, but wins hands down against the HD 4000 at the iGPU level = $129.99 at Newegg

Build a non-discrete gaming rig, let me know what you'd pick. The correct answer is the A10-5800K.

Now, if that i3-3220 had the HD 4000 in the first place (which is basically the i3-3225), and the price was $114.99, then it's a tougher call.

At any rate, AMD should be doing the same thing. An AMD A4-5300 with a HD 7660D at $54.99? Jeebus, that thing would sell like hotcakes!
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Over the last few pages the only interesting thing mentioned is consumer 8 core ib.

1k$? Shut up and take my money.
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Originally Posted by mbreslin View Post

1k$? Shut up and take my money.
More like shut up and take my second kidney. biggrin.gif
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