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[eteknix] Intel Responds to Haswell Preview, Says Tom’s Hardware’s Figures are Wrong
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Francois Piednoel, Principal Engineer at Intel Corporation, said in a public Twitter interaction with Ian Cuttress of Anandtech that Intel did not authorise Tom’s Hardware’s preview and that “we are not happy about it”. Francois, went on to say that the performance numbers displayed by Tom’s Hardware are not correct. However, Intel also did a similar thing with the Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge performance previews and when the reviews actually did come out we actually saw they weren’t all that different...

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Definitely worth the wait, since the GPU even on the current gen APUs are actually stronger than your 8600gt. Imagine having a better CPU and GPU all in one. Fun times sir, fun times thumb.gif

Yes definitely, last time also I bought my PC when PS3 and Xbox 360 was released, this time also I maybe buying when PS4 will be released. Best of all, Kaveri will support GDDR5 and will be similar to PS4.
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Intel's IGP's are terrible and its drivers are a disaster, you can't play old properly(most of them eg 99%) and its only decent in some mainstream games. Don't expect a huge leap, it will be a tiny leap and Intel HD Graphics 4600 won't beat GPU from A8 5500/5600k. Also Richland for desktops will be out and again it will run cycles around Intel's IGP's("APU"). Intel already lose the battle, Kaveri will be a nail for Intel involving their APU's(that are really a IGP)...

Haswell is also a 22nm processor and it needs a new motherboard compared to Ivy that is 22nm. AMD's socket AM3+ will be alive for next 3-4 years and Steamroller is out by end of this year, it will be 28nm and will have 20 to 30% improvements over Piledriver so it will really compete with Haswell...

Finally AMD can compete after alot of dirty tricks that Intel used from 2002 ultil 2007 that damaged AMD and PC industry for billions of dollars and alot of companeis went down. Intel is one of the things that launched decline of PC's since AMD is now strugling to survive and barely competing.
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Intel's IGP's are terrible and its drivers are a disaster, you can't play old properly(most of them eg 99%) and its only decent in some mainstream games. Don't expect a huge leap, it will be a tiny leap and Intel HD Graphics 4600 won't beat GPU from A8 5500/5600k. Also Richland for desktops will be out and again it will run cycles around Intel's IGP's("APU"). Intel already lose the battle, Kaveri will be a nail for Intel involving their APU's(that are really a IGP)...

Haswell is also a 22nm processor and it needs a new motherboard compared to Ivy that is 22nm. AMD's socket AM3+ will be alive for next 3-4 years and Steamroller is out by end of this year, it will be 28nm and will have 20 to 30% improvements over Piledriver so it will really compete with Haswell...

Finally AMD can compete after alot of dirty tricks that Intel used from 2002 ultil 2007 that damaged AMD and PC industry for billions of dollars and alot of companeis went down. Intel is one of the things that launched decline of PC's since AMD is now strugling to survive and barely competing.

that's the point.

Only good thing about having these IGP's with these more expensive CPU's is that we're always messing with our video cards. Blow a video card or cause an issue, use the IGP for the display while you RMA your actual GPU.
The A8 5500/5600k definitely provide better GPU capabilities...but then again, you're stuck with crap CPU's. IGP's are just temporary backup solutions on desktops, and decent performers on ultrabooks



oh and lose the fanboy mentality
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[eteknix] Intel Responds to Haswell Preview, Says Tom’s Hardware’s Figures are Wrong
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Seems like they attack the early previews every time yet the final results tend to be similar to those of the early previews anyway...
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Seems like they attack the early previews every time yet the final results tend to be similar to those of the early previews anyway...
What would it matter, anyway? If it performed the same as Ivy Bridge, people would still buy it.
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that's the point.

Only good thing about having these IGP's with these more expensive CPU's is that we're always messing with our video cards. Blow a video card or cause an issue, use the IGP for the display while you RMA your actual GPU. The A8 5500/5600k definitely provide better GPU capabilities...but then again, you're stuck with crap CPU's. IGP's are just temporary backup solutions on desktops..

Agreed. It's hard to believe how disrespected Intel's IGPs are by gamers. While they are useless for anything but Facebook and Farmville, they do add valuable redundancy for when their discrete card gives out and need to do an RMA. Needing one less spare part on hand for minimal functionality in case of a hardware failure is a good thing.
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Agreed. It's hard to believe how disrespected Intel's IGPs are by gamers. While they are useless for anything but Facebook and Farmville, they do add valuable redundancy for when their discrete card gives out and need to do an RMA. Needing one less spare part on hand for minimal functionality in case of a hardware failure is a good thing.

Well the tipping point for me was seeing how well the Surface Pro handles most any Valve game. The surface only has a ULV CPU with a intel hd4000, yet can play TF2, HL2, CS: Source/GO and many others @ 1080p at high around 50-60fps.......quite impressive
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I love all the talk about how hd 4000 was useless. Overclocked to 1.6ghz yielded great results for bf3 and cs go. Yeah its nothing mind blowing but that's not what its designed for
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Agreed. It's hard to believe how disrespected Intel's IGPs are by gamers. While they are useless for anything but Facebook and Farmville, they do add valuable redundancy for when their discrete card gives out and need to do an RMA. Needing one less spare part on hand for minimal functionality in case of a hardware failure is a good thing.

Well the tipping point for me was seeing how well the Surface Pro handles most any Valve game. The surface only has a ULV CPU with a intel hd4000, yet can play TF2, HL2, CS: Source/GO and many others @ 1080p at high around 50-60fps.......quite impressive

You mean games from 2007, 2004, 2004, and everything else from valve that's on the same game engine?

I've seen a 6870 max out 3-screen 1080 eyefinity in TF2. Not impressed.
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I love all the talk about how hd 4000 was useless. Overclocked to 1.6ghz yielded great results for bf3 and cs go. Yeah its nothing mind blowing but that's not what its designed for

Bull. It's job is to compete with AMD's APUs. If it was meant for just watching 1080p video, they already passed that, why improve it? It doesn't even come close to competing, which I see every Intel fanboy under the sun claim about AMD's CPUs., so fair game.

They suck. That is what they're designed for, and they are horrible at it, even after this rumored massive improvement that was supposed to give AMD a run for it's money. Even if HD4600 does get into i3's, (assuming the i3's even come out before kaveri is released and raises the APU bar once again, I'm looking at you Ivy), if it's priced like the 3225, there's still no point.
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