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Originally Posted by sherlock View Post

You can't, Haswell-E will be a much larger chip than Haswell and will use a much larger socket(the next LGA2011).
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Originally Posted by mbreslin View Post

I wish they wouldn't change sockets/chipsets from haswell -> haswell-e

I know.

Thanks though.

The problem with what you put there is that SB and SB-e are not the same kind of chip at all.

Same thing for 1st gen i7's, and will be the same for Ivy-e, and still again for Haswell-e. They don't "change" anything. Haswell-e is not the successor to Haswell. They run in parallel.

SB ---> IB ---> Haswell
SB-e ---> IB-e ---> Haswell-e

If you're going to complain about socket changes, complain about how Haswell is not on 1155, and how Haswell-e won't be on 2011, not that a server chip won't run on your cheap consumer board.
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The problem with what you put there is that SB and SB-e are not the same kind of chip at all.

Same thing for 1st gen i7's, and will be the same for Ivy-e, and still again for Haswell-e. They don't "change" anything. Haswell-e is not the successor to Haswell. They run in parallel.

SB ---> IB ---> Haswell
SB-e ---> IB-e ---> Haswell-e

If you're going to complain about socket changes, complain about how Haswell is not on 1155, and how Haswell-e won't be on 2011, not that a server chip won't run on your cheap consumer board.

I see. I am first to admit I don't know anything about intel architecture. I thought since I went from bloomfield -> gulftown and stayed with 1366 intel could do the same for haswell -> haswell-e if they wanted to. I guess not. And price doesn't bother me I find selling stuff to be more hassle than caring about the money most of the time. Time > Money

That said I will sell off the 4770k+mb to subsidize ib-e+mb. No worries!
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tri-gate -> tri-gate
5-10% performance increase seems reasonable, no?
It's repaired tri-gate, thus it should have much less heat problems.
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You'll never see 25% gains ever again with a new CPU in ipc alone.

if you wait 3 generations, the cpu out at that time will be 25% faster than the cpu you have at that moment wink.gif

intel retail edge summer deal should have these chips i think. which means haswell upgrade for sparky.
 
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I see. I am first to admit I don't know anything about intel architecture. I thought since I went from bloomfield -> gulftown and stayed with 1366 intel could do the same for haswell -> haswell-e if they wanted to. I guess not. And price doesn't bother me I find selling stuff to be more hassle than caring about the money most of the time. Time > Money

That said I will sell off the 4770k+mb to subsidize ib-e+mb. No worries!

Nope. 1366 was the enthusiast socket. Bloomfield and Westmere are equivalent to SB-E and IB-E respectively. Neither were compatible with the 1156 socket, which was the mainstream socket.
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It's repaired tri-gate, thus it should have much less heat problems.

You mean improved tri-gate wink.gif
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I see. I am first to admit I don't know anything about intel architecture. I thought since I went from bloomfield -> gulftown and stayed with 1366 intel could do the same for haswell -> haswell-e if they wanted to. I guess not. And price doesn't bother me I find selling stuff to be more hassle than caring about the money most of the time. Time > Money

That said I will sell off the 4770k+mb to subsidize ib-e+mb. No worries!

Nope. 1366 was the enthusiast socket. Bloomfield and Westmere are equivalent to SB-E and IB-E respectively. Neither were compatible with the 1156 socket, which was the mainstream socket.
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It's repaired tri-gate, thus it should have much less heat problems.

You mean improved tri-gate wink.gif
you beat me to it... thumb.gif
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Anyone else notice that Tomshardware did not mention the board / chipset / memory they used, gaming benchmarks, or application benchmarks of any kind? They only used synthetics, and the memory one was underperforming (or underclocked) by 15-20%. Seem a little suspect to anyone else?
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Anyone else notice that Tomshardware did not mention the board / chipset / memory they used, gaming benchmarks, or application benchmarks of any kind? They only used synthetics, and the memory one was underperforming (or underclocked) by 15-20%. Seem a little suspect to anyone else?
it's already being called into question by another site..
I'm not for certain about anything as of yet..
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Knowing toms they used 1600 memory. Haswell is bred for 2666+
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Knowing toms they used 1600 memory. Haswell is bred for 2666+

To be fair, they were working with an ES chip and presumably an immature pre-production motherboard / BIOS combination. Running the memory controller at its maximum rated "standard" stock speed is par for the course at this point of the process.
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