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Good information but be careful of the source. Toms Hardware is known for "cheating" on benchmarks and therefore is not a trusted source of information.

All I care about is did Intel fix that huge fail of a heat transfer job or not?

This is also news to me, if it were true. I'd like to see a source outsing them. I have often given them a more than average higher opinion, so....
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I haven't seen Tom's "cheating" on benchmarks.I've seen lots of bad/irrelevant ones over there but straightforward cheating? They do manipulate numbers though



They basically took an FX-8150, downclocked it to 3.0 and removed its turbo boost. It would normally run GW2 at 3.9Ghz btw. no wonder it sucks so bad on this benchmark. They clearly state what they did and what their intentions are but in small letters. People that don't care for details will just take a look and assume a pentium does better in this game-well it doesn't. It is pretty bad way of showing things but you can't call it cheating.
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I haven't seen Tom's "cheating" on benchmarks.I've seen lots of bad/irrelevant ones over there but straightforward cheating? They do manipulate numbers though
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They basically took an FX-8150, downclocked it to 3.0 and removed its turbo boost. It would normally run GW2 at 3.9Ghz btw. no wonder it sucks so bad on this benchmark. They clearly state what they did and what their intentions are but in small letters. People that don't care for details will just take a look and assume a pentium does better in this game-well it doesn't. It is pretty bad way of showing things but you can't call it cheating.
Not sure why they would run such a test, but they did downclock all the CPU's to 3GHz so I guess it's kind of fair tongue.gif
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Well the i3 and the pentium kinda operate at stock (and they use no turbo anyway). The i5-2500k, not sure about that one, I have messed around with ivies and know that they would operate around 3.6-3.8 at stock on that game due to turbo.I'd expect a 2500k to do 3.4-3.5 perhaps? Not that it matters with unlocked processors.
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Well the i3 and the pentium kinda operate at stock (and they use no turbo anyway). The i5-2500k, not sure about that one, I have messed around with ivies and know that they would operate around 3.6-3.8 at stock on that game due to turbo.I'd expect a 2500k to do 3.4-3.5 perhaps? Not that it matters with unlocked processors.


Actually for that test it seems that they run every single CPU at 3.0Ghz set in Bios and Turbo disabled to compare per clock performance across the board.
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This is what I am saying. They explain that with small numbers therefore it is not cheating. Yet most people didn't pay attention and took those on face value as gameplay numbers- which they arent. The first time I checked this story I didn't pay attention to it myself I admit. Then shortly after when I reviewed GW2 for the publication I then worked, I tested it on various systems and found out that bulldozers were actualy decent running it. A stock FX-4100/4170 would be around 4Ghz ,on par/bit better than a stock i3 for example.



You need to "decipher" their tables to see what the expected stock performance would be, including doing research on turbo frequencies etc.
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There's really no point for me to retire my trusty workhorse the 2700K for small gains. If you look at those chart performance figures then in some case the difference between Sandy Bridge and Haswell is small. It's evolutionary not revolutionary even though Haswell is based on a new 22nm Architecture.

In one case we have a 1 Minute performance gain from SB->HS but in the rest of the cases it's usually a 10-20 second gain in performance. Granted it's not released yet and that this is newer ES silicon it still shows a representative performance estimate of finalized silicon.
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There's really no point for me to retire my trusty workhorse the 2700K for small gains. If you look at those chart performance figures then in some case the difference between Sandy Bridge and Haswell is small. It's evolutionary not revolutionary even though Haswell is based on a new 22nm Architecture.

The 2700K is definitely a keeper, imo.
    
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should not haswell be a 14nm already? sandy and ivy are both 22nm

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should not haswell be a 14nm already? sandy and ivy are both 22nm

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sandy is 32nm (tock), ivy 22nm (tick), haswelll 22nm (tock)
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