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A word of caution for those interested in this...

The Killer NICs have a tendency to not play nice with a lot of games, in many situations in the past they required tweaking or to be completely disabled. At least the standalone versions have, I honestly can't comment too solidly on the integrated form.
I have used MSi products for years, in fact right now I have a 7970 from them and their Z77 MPower. I have had several other MSi video cards....

While I have had to RMA a couple of times, the process went really smoothly, and length of time wasn't anything out of the ordinary. You want to hear about RMA horror stories? XFX.....I have a few I could share around a campfire....

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Seriously? What is with all the MSi motherboard hate? Have any of you actually bought them yourselves? Or are you just using cursory Google searches, and looking for the people that complain? People that complain or have issues are going to be the easy ones to find....

I have had dozens of MSi boards over the years, maybe more, and the worst thing I have had happen was an integrated NIC go out on a couple. I have had one complete board failure on a Gigabyte, one DOA on a Gigabyte. I have had one Asus board show up with dead RAM slots, and one Asus lose two of its RAM slots within a year.

In fact, in the last 4 years of builds, MSi is the only board I haven't received a defect on right out of the box. Not only that, just an integrated NIC go south after about 2 years of use. Then again I like AsRock boards, and have had awesome success with BioStar boards as well.

I agree a lot of people in here are just fan boys for GB and Asus....I had Asus motherboards and GB mobos almost exclusively for years and had more problems with those boards than i care to remember. My MSI Mpower is my first msi board and i have had 0 problems with it, my roommate also has had an entry level msi board for his 965 Black edition chip and he has also had a very good experience and he has had that board for more than 3 years!
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I was going to get a TwinFrozr GTX 580 back a few years ago for my first build but I am yet to see a good review of MSI's reliability. Almost every RMA horror show involves MSI and their stuff. I mean I've never owned anything by them, I'm not brand loyal to anyone, but MSI seems to be the one to avoid these days.

Really now? Almost all of the recent horror stories I've seen involved XFX or Asus. Sure, they had issues in the past, especially with AMD 7xx and 8xx boards and Thuban, but their customer service has always been top notch. Turnaround times are usually less than a week, and the process is very painless.
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i hope not i want one of these for my FX 8350
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looks like they are going red branding with their gaming lines and yellow lighning for overclocking.
looking forward to a full refresh of their boards with z87 and see were the gaming line really falls.

source

::Looks at picture of board, sees stupid spacing of PCIe slots with no regards to 3-Way SLI or Triple CFX.::
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2 late to the party but a good effort.
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2 late to the party but a good effort.

While it is late i'm in the middle of a 3570k rig. If it OCs well and doesn't have any problems i'm all over it.
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Excuse the long multi-quote reply.... but I think this board doesn't apply to most of you in this thread (and OCN in general).
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I don't understand the point of this product or it's marketing.

They are making out like it's a big deal and a great motherboard and then they said themselves it's not aimed at overclocking at all. So it has all these supposed 'great features' but then falls short in the most important department, CPU performance?

Why even consider it when the M-Power has all the features this has and is aimed towards the most extreme overclocking, so tackles both worlds. They made such a big deal out of how robust and reliable the M-Power was and they aren't expensive or overpriced so I don't understand why you would consider this over the M-Power unless you were miss-informed or this is significantly cheaper which I doubt it being?

The only thing this has different from the M-Power is a inferior design, few marketing gimmicks that the M-Power actually shares also, dragons which look terrible and a potentially better on-board sound.

I love MSI products but this just confuses me, especially the comments MSI Alex made about it. I know they are known for ultimate performance and extreme overclocking but why the need for a new product to branch into a new market (gaming) when their existing top tier product already satisfies that segment and is cheaper than an ASUS Sabertooth board, which is the king of price/performance in the segment of the market. Just refresh the existing product with the gimmick gaming LAN connector and new onboard audio.

You already hit all the important points: vs MPOWER it's inferior, has marketing gimmicks, looks terrible, and possibly better onboard audio. And Killer NIC.

Take a look at what you said.... MPOWER. MPOWER sits at a $189-209 price point. Why would we sell a board that is against that? The GD65 Gaming will be eventually priced (in the US) at around $159/169, the G45 will be $129/139, and the G43 will end up at $119/129.... so tell me, at those price points, what other board out there offers a decent NIC, improved visual looks (i.e. not the same look as every other board in its lineup), and doesn't present a high barrier to entry?

I will just say this: these gaming boards are meant to introduce Killer NIC at a lower price point than anything currently available on the market, and at worse the NIC is not any worse than Intel NIC. If you are using any Killer chip older than E2100, then your latency/lag/compatibility issues with certain games does not apply to the E2200, which is a newer chip.

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IMO these really are MSI's answer to gigabyte's gaming stuff (sniper etc.), asus' sabertooth and asrock's fatality stuff.

Worse boards at higher prices due to flashy looks and special branding.

Most expensive gaming board will be the GD65 Gaming, which will not cost more than $169 in the US.

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This thread is pretty much a rehash of this one: http://www.overclock.net/t/1362309/hexus-msi-teases-gaming-motherboards-to-rival-the-asus-rog-series
There is easily a place for this type of board. Most people don't overclock, but there is a subset of gamers who are interested in something nicer than the standard boards - maybe some of them are modders or perhaps 'faux modders' i.e. they buy standardised parts like pre braided cables and build with looks in mind, but never touch a Dremel or do any real modding (sorry for making up such a rubbish term as faux modders, but I can't think of what else to call them)

I already said on the other thread that I dislike MSI's standard look, and I don't like themed products that tend to treat gamers in a patronising way, but I can see why they're appealing and capable of attracting buyers. MSIalex put up a good case in favour of these boards in the other thread, and said that these boards are only a small step toward a much larger portfolio using this theme.

They are a lot nicer than the standard boards, and the price premium is apparently going to be small or nothing in some regions, so I'd call that a win. I'd rather have one of these than one of the brown/black/blue boards!

The Dragon theme is interesting in that it could quite easily be adapted to other colour schemes, so maybe MSI will eventually have something to satisfy everybody?

The story behind the Dragon theme is simple: our gaming notebook line has been using the same dragon logo for about 3 years now. We are unifying our messaging.

MPOWER/XPOWER/etc will still remain separate and distinct.

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I pretty much agree with you but couldn't find a way to say it that nicely. Pretty much it's for someone that wants a standard motherboard but looks cool and has cool marketing even though there is nothing actually special about it.

If its more than $150-160 then shame on MSI for trying to scam the impressionable.
The demographic MSI seems to be going for with this do not buy Socket 2011 products.

See my above comments.

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::Looks at picture of board, sees stupid spacing of PCIe slots with no regards to 3-Way SLI or Triple CFX.::
::Walks away::

If you want to do 3-way SLI on LGA1155, you MUST run a bridge chip. That adds cost.
If you want to do 3-way CrossfireX, you can do it on this board (and any LGA1155 board with the PCI-E lanes properly wired from the CPU for 8/4/4 lane configuration when 3 slots are populated)

Beyond that, we weren't targeting 3-way SLI/CFX crowds. Most people would end up doing 2 cards for gaming purposes (especially on a single monitor), and our layout provides 1 full slot of spacing between two graphics cards for optimal cooling.

That is all. If this is no good for you, feel free to go buy another board that allows you to run 4-way SLI at a significant price premium.
    
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2 late to the party but a good effort.

Not too late when this is the start of something long term.
    
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What's the OCing potential of this board compared to Mpower? Call me shallow but i love the aesthetics and if i could reach the clocks i want on my 3570k i'm picking one up lol. Some people dislike the dragon and color scheme i think it's gorgeous. Just wondering if i bought this over the Mpower would it be a moot point i guess?
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If you want to do 3-way SLI on LGA1155, you MUST run a bridge chip. That adds cost.
If you want to do 3-way CrossfireX, you can do it on this board (and any LGA1155 board with the PCI-E lanes properly wired from the CPU for 8/4/4 lane configuration when 3 slots are populated)

Beyond that, we weren't targeting 3-way SLI/CFX crowds. Most people would end up doing 2 cards for gaming purposes (especially on a single monitor), and our layout provides 1 full slot of spacing between two graphics cards for optimal cooling.

That is all. If this is no good for you, feel free to go buy another board that allows you to run 4-way SLI at a significant price premium.

Cool, thanks for the reply. So, it's the MSI Big Bang as the top-of-the-line board, then?
   
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