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Originally Posted by l88bastar View Post

Freemen own guns, slaves do not. PERIOD. Societies that do not let law abiding citizens own firearms that can match what the average soldier carries are societies on the brink of tryanny.

In addition to self defense, firearms are fun to shoot and are an awesome hobby just like high end computer components. Like firearms the same thing can be argued about high end computer components. You dont need four Titan Gtxs, you dont need multiple displays, you dont need water cooling, you dont need to overclock. And before somebody says you can't kill people with a computer, please think about that for a second. In the hands of an able hacker, far more death and carnage can be dealt with Evil manipulation of computer systems than firearms.


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It's a good idea not to announce much about what you do or do not possess in general.

Telling people you are leaving on vacation, or that you have a lot of cash, or a new TV, is generally vastly more risky than an affirmation or denial of firearm possession.

The potential that one may encounter an armed homeowner is certainly a deterrent, but it's the ambiguity that is most of that. If someone knows you aren't armed, they may feel slight safer in confronting you, but if they know you are armed, your weapons become a target for theft themselves. I've got a neighbor whose house has been broken into multiple times, because he's got a large firearm collection, and everyone knows it; thieves once removed an entire 500 pound gun case from his basement.

yar. My uncle's brother(aunt is blood, thus his brother is distant family only) built a new house in the country as I was growing up, and I thought it was awesome that I was invited to hang out and see how they were putting it together, and my uncle said there's always a family member on site while construction is working because only certain people could go into the basement. They were installing a safe because he was a gun collector and supposedly had over 50k worth of guns and memorabilia. So yar. Not telling people is still rule #1. Just as the greatest fear man has is the fear of the unknown. Unless you come across a man who does not have this fear, in which case you respond like you would a beast in nature; injure or make the loudest, biggest gesture to make it not worth the effort involved in getting what they want. (a beware of dog and ADT sign go along way for this 'gesturing')
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+1 for shutgun, the beast weapon in home defense. The only gun I'd chose outside of that would be a 35 revolver, or something of that caliber. You typically want a weapon that says "you will die". Both of those options say that, as no matter where you hit a man they will go down. Might not kill them but a shotgun wounds badly and a 35... It's pretty much the same thing, even a shot to the arm/leg is going to make the average man drop pretty quick.

Gotta be careful with big revolvers. 357mag hollowpoint does go through interior walls. Shotgun is good because most walls will slow down and stop all the shot. Scariest thing I can think of is people using ARs and hunting rifles for home defense loaded up with the FMJ or hunting bullets. Have to think about where that bullet is going after it exits the person you've shot (best case, worst case when you miss and it goes full speed off in an unintended direction). Also gotta consider what the muzzle blast and flash are going to do to you in the middle of the night when you've been startled awake and the lights are off. You fire a 357 (or really any centerfire) and it will blind and deafen you in an enclosed space like a bedroom, hallway or livingroom at night. Good luck defending anything if you miss with your first shot.

People take home defense way too lightly, like buying a 38 revolver and going to the shooting range a couple times a year makes them capable of defending themselves in their home in a panic situation. Most people are better off with a bat or knife to be honest.
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Gotta be careful with big revolvers. 357mag hollowpoint does go through interior walls. Shotgun is good because most walls will slow down and stop all the shot. Scariest thing I can think of is people using ARs and hunting rifles for home defense loaded up with the FMJ or hunting bullets. Have to think about where that bullet is going after it exits the person you've shot (best case, worst case when you miss and it goes full speed off in an unintended direction). Also gotta consider what the muzzle blast and flash are going to do to you in the middle of the night when you've been startled awake and the lights are off. You fire a 357 (or really any centerfire) and it will blind and deafen you in an enclosed space like a bedroom, hallway or livingroom at night. Good luck defending anything if you miss with your first shot.

People take home defense way too lightly, like buying a 38 revolver and going to the shooting range a couple times a year makes them capable of defending themselves in their home in a panic situation. Most people are better off with a bat or knife to be honest.

I think the most ideal home defense weapon would be an AR15 300BLK SBR with a nice suppressor and sub-sonic rounds. Yes its $400 worth of tax stamps but sooooo worth it. Closely behind that on my wish list is a Saiga 12. Comon lottery biggrin.gif
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Just bought my first CZ today, a CZ75B in 9mm, such a nice pistol, puts my XD-9 to shame...
Congrats man. The 75 is a beautiful handgun.
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I think the most ideal home defense weapon would be an AR15 300BLK SBR with a nice suppressor and sub-sonic rounds. Yes its $400 worth of tax stamps but sooooo worth it. Closely behind that on my wish list is a Saiga 12. Comon lottery biggrin.gif
A revolver loaded up with some .410 buckshot would work pretty well too.
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Freemen own guns, slaves do not. PERIOD. Societies that do not let law abiding citizens own firearms that can match what the average soldier carries are societies on the brink of tryanny.

In addition to self defense, firearms are fun to shoot and are an awesome hobby just like high end computer components. Like firearms the same thing can be argued about high end computer components. You dont need four Titan Gtxs, you dont need multiple displays, you dont need water cooling, you dont need to overclock. And before somebody says you can't kill people with a computer, please think about that for a second. In the hands of an able hacker, far more death and carnage can be dealt with Evil manipulation of computer systems than firearms.

Seiously?If you read my post you'd have seen the part where guns are "rare" in NZ and are heavily regulated to the point you need four licenses in order to do what an US citizen can do when he turns 18. If you need something for self-defence you use non-lethal methods until the authorities arrive. You shoot someone with your own firearm with the intent of 'self-defense' and you can get trialed for attempted murder.

This is what I mean by the flip-sides of different societies. You don't fight fire with fire, you try to put it out using another method. There's nothing stopping you from letting you get a license to own firearms except yourself. As long as you can prove that you are a responsible person that will not use them to enroach on others rights (this includes the criminal's right to live which you put at jeopardy if you fire at them in the cause of self-defence) then there is absolutely no reason you cannot own them. I personally own a .22 and .17 longrifle and a Ruger 10/22 because I passed my license requirements.

And please, computer systems can be a instigator but not a means of death. You can't murder somone with a computer directly unless you roast them on top of four GTX480's
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