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This is why whenever I read reviews I always check what sort of a system they run. Yes, I know my cpu is a bottle neck now a days (being an old 940BE at 3.5) but thats why whenever I look for a new card I always make sure the reviewers have some rediculously powerful rig to test the cards. To make sure there is no cpu bottle neck and the cards can run wide open.

I also read for days or weeks before i make a purchase. reading everything from forum posts, newegg reviews, website reviews, how much the card can overclock and what performance bump it brings, etc.
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This applies just as much to CPU reviews. The amount of "enthusiasts" running around with Skyrim benchmarks saying "AMD SUX LOL DIE AMD UR WORTHLESS LOL!" is appalling.

There's a new generation of enthusiast that doesn't read reviews, just looks at graphs, and thinks they're expert overclockers because they bump a multiplier up on an unlocked CPU and bought an expensive cooler.

It's depressing, really.
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I find Anantech to be the best. I like hardocp for gpu reviews as well.
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This applies just as much to CPU reviews. The amount of "enthusiasts" running around with Skyrim benchmarks saying "AMD SUX LOL DIE AMD UR WORTHLESS LOL!" is appalling.

There's a new generation of enthusiast that doesn't read reviews, just looks at graphs, and thinks they're expert overclockers because they bump a multiplier up on an unlocked CPU and bought an expensive cooler.

It's depressing, really.

give them a locked cpu and they'd say it's **** cause it won't overclock hahah.

I think I spent 80 hours tweaking the hell out of my system before I was finally happy with it. then 4 years later it started getting unstable. Not exactly sure why. I think my memory controller started failing (or maybe having my NB oc'ed was causing it...**** imma go re-do my overclock and see what I can do to it)

oh...i need a new motherboard battery...if my system ever is shut down it resets *****
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I don't think any GPU review/benchmark sites are credible enough to take what they say as truth. Never enough common sense or detail put into them and never do they overclock their cards to the limit with the fan at 100%, state how they achieved their data (battlefield for example has no benchmark or time demo) or use surround/eyefinity as the benchmark for stressing a GPU.

VRAM. Something major that's been an issue since the GTX 680 released is never recorded or mentioned and makes a huge difference. Frametimes have only begun to be an issue now/since the GTX Titan when they were a major issue around the life of the HD 6990 and GTX 590 which had awful micro stuttering.

PCIe bandwidth. Apparently this has no effect on GPUs which is simply not true and has led to a massive following of ill-informed PC users.

I'm more inclined to take the benchmarks of credible users of the forums as an indication of performance until someone comes out and really reforms the whole approach to reviewing/benchmarking. Some are getting a lot better but even then they still have a long way to go to be able to claim what they are claiming is credible and true.
    
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Just out of curiosity, what's the problem with using an ivy bridge i5 @ 5 ghz to test Titan? As far as I know the i5s and i7s both are quad cores and both have hyper threading. The only difference I know about is higher stock speeds but when it's an unlocked CPU who cares? Or am I missing a difference between the i5 and i7?
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Just out of curiosity, what's the problem with using an ivy bridge i5 @ 5 ghz to test Titan? As far as I know the i5s and i7s both are quad cores and both have hyper threading. The only difference I know about is higher stock speeds but when it's an unlocked CPU who cares? Or am I missing a difference between the i5 and i7?

i5 Desktop chips don't have hyper-threading,


i7 does(see the thread number at the bottom right corner)


That's the one critical difference, otherwise i7 3770K have higher stock clock and L3 cache than 3570K but the performance boost of that difference is small.
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Titans should be tested on overclocked hexa core X79 systems anyways. Unless the point is to do some sort of ITX gaming comparison.

I just think it's silly to buy a $1000 card and then get an i5...
 
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post #29 of 117
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Just out of curiosity, what's the problem with using an ivy bridge i5 @ 5 ghz to test Titan? As far as I know the i5s and i7s both are quad cores and both have hyper threading. The only difference I know about is higher stock speeds but when it's an unlocked CPU who cares? Or am I missing a difference between the i5 and i7?

I found what they were talking about. I'm assuming they're not calling anyone out out of respect, but we need to start holding review sites accountable for when they pull wrong things, and you can't do that without knowing the site.

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2013/02/21/nvidia-geforce-gtx-titan-6gb-review/2

3570k does not have hyperthreading.

I really hope people questioning things makes them wake up about the whole Nvidia GPU boost and these boosts being used in reviews. No chip is going to boost/turbo the same. If they did, they would all overclock the same. All chips end up different.

I wonder how many times sites have been played by Intel, AMD, and/or Nvidia giving them review samples that were binned very well, so that the turbo works much better. hardware.fr has been a good source of finding out about Nvidia playing shady with this. AFAIK, however, it's a hell of a lot harder to get an Intel or AMD CPU boost to lie in a review.

Ideally, I think we'd see something like a quarterly benchmark suite where we see mid-range AMD/Intel CPUs in low end and mid range boards (something like i3 and FX 6300 on $100 boards), high end AMD and high end LGA115 on mid range, mATX, and high end board, and then the extreme side. After that just have a creme of the crop where you go nice motherboard + nicest CPU from both sides.

Then benchmark everything above mid-range for GPUs. Probably 7850 and up and GTX 660 and up.

Yes, it would take forever, but it would eliminate a lot of really crappy practices.

If you are curious about the hardware.fr and Titan thing, here's the link: http://www.hardware.fr/articles/887-10/gpu-boost-tests.html and here it is translated: http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hardware.fr%2Farticles%2F887-10%2Fgpu-boost-tests.html&act=url

hardware.fr also found GTX 680 was doing the same kind of thing: http://www.hardware.fr/focus/65/gpu-boost-gtx-680-double-variabilite.html and translated: http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?act=url&depth=1&hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.hardware.fr/focus/65/gpu-boost-gtx-680-double-variabilite.html&usg=ALkJrhhHrLfTOqVdNR7Ny-9WXfGJY_NBsw

But things like this have gone on forever. Remember IQ differences, and things not getting rendered on screen and artificially increasing frame rates?
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Just out of curiosity, what's the problem with using an ivy bridge i5 @ 5 ghz to test Titan? As far as I know the i5s and i7s both are quad cores and both have hyper threading. The only difference I know about is higher stock speeds but when it's an unlocked CPU who cares? Or am I missing a difference between the i5 and i7?

i5's do not have HT.

If you're testing SLI & Tri-SLI Titans they should really be tested with a 3930k minimum to remove any bottlenecks.
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