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Originally Posted by bftdsolder View Post

I agree!

And this:

I don't listen to any review sites recommendations, awards, and approvals. A good percentage of the review sites are garbage and will mislead viewers. I usually view review sites for spec info and then I do some Googling to find out what forum goers are saying about the product in question.

Example of garbage review sites that will mislead viewers with BIAS reviews:

1. http://www.overclockers.com/evga-x79-ftw-review

2. http://www.overclockerstech.com/evga-z77-ftw-motherboard-review/all/1/

Tell me! How does one of the worst LGA 2011 motherboard ever made get an approval from overclockers.com and a gold award from overclockerstech.com?

Does overclockers.com = overclockerstech.com and what other sites do these misleading diaper-wearing but-heads run?

There are many, many more!

Id like to reply to this as the author of the review at OCF....biggrin.gif

Id first like to mention that OCF and OCT have nothing to do with each other. Next Id like to share with you our rating system and how we approve, meh, or fail a product.
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Approved
The product performs well at stock and at overclocking, for modding, etc. where relevant. It isn’t necessarily the best of its type, but it performs well enough that we could recommend it with a clear conscience.
http://www.overclockers.com/overclockers-product-rating-system

Out of the gate, we did have an issue with the release bios. We notified EVGA and they promptly took care of the issues as was stated in the review...
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Basic UEFI interface aside, the latest bios (32) has turned in to a pretty solid one after the few previous ones for my setup had some (significant) issues in my testing. Memory timings wouldn’t save or save incorrectly, overclocking past 4.5Ghz or so was more difficult to find stable and tend to require more voltage than other boards. But with the newer releases (30 and up), most of those issues have been resolved. The only problem I am having now is with a specific set of memory, so I am chalking that up to incompatibility, and hopefully another bios release will let these 2133Mhz sticks work in that board. But the quad channel DDR3 1600Mhz kit now works like a champ in this board.

... the only issue left over was with it not working with one specific set of memory I owned, some older DDR3. The issues I had were fixed. IIRC, I believe I had issues with every X79 board I reviewed outside of the Asrock X79 Extreme 4-M. Curiously enough, that board had issues with the ram that worked in the EVGA, while the ram that didnt work in the EVGA worked fine in the Asrock. So like I said, it was a memory compatibility issue. It happens to all boards.

Please remember at the time it was a brand new platform and kinks are almost expected (though certainly not wanted!!). Like all other boards, issues are found, and usually resolved which is exactly what happened with this board. By the time the review was up, the bios I had worked just fine. The board worked just fine. So if you take that information and looked at our rating system, you can see the conclusion and rating was perfectly in line with how things work over there. It worked well at stock, and overclocking. It wasnt the best of its type and for the review, performed well enough that I as the author could recommend it with a clear conscious.

So with that said, the staff at OCF work quite hard to bring the readers informative reviews of products within the scope of our website. So I have to admit I take exception to your assertion and have to say unequivocally that we do not mislead anyone (or are "diaper wearing butt-heads" for that matter! tongue.gif). The experience I had with the board, outside of the initial issues that were all corrected, was worthy of an approved stamp. What happens after that, I cannot know (this review is over a year old now). I did hear down the road that USB ports liked to drop and other issues. Thing is I didn't have those issues at the time.

Thank you for reading that review... and I hope everyone here understands how I came to that conclusion and remember that hindsight is 20/20. I also recommend to read a lot of reviews as we are not all perfect. User experience is valuable and you should read them as well.
Edited by Earth Dog - 3/21/13 at 9:34am
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Don't forget what the HH article is in (delayed) response to: Massman from HWBot slamming HH for useless reviews. (this was posted some pages ago, nobody commented, I figure it was skipped)

It doesn't take too much to write a lovely essay on why you're right, but if you give every single review an award and 8+ / 10 rating, you're doing it wrong.
Edited by Bobnova - 3/21/13 at 9:50am
post #83 of 117
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Originally Posted by Bobnova View Post

Don't forget what the HH article is in (delayed) response to: Massman from HWBot slamming HH for useless reviews. (this was posted some pages ago, nobody commented, I figure it was skipped)

It doesn't take too much to write a lovely essay on why you're right, but if you give every single review an award and 8+ / 10 rating, you're doing it wrong.

Gotcha covered, Mr. Bob biggrin.gif
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Good read here for some back-up to my claim earlier:

http://hwbot.org/forum/showthread.php?t=29132
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Id like to reply to this as the author of the review at OCF....biggrin.gif

Id first like to mention that OCF and OCT have nothing to do with each other. Next Id like to share with you our rating system and how we approve, meh, or fail a product.
http://www.overclockers.com/overclockers-product-rating-system

Out of the gate, we did have an issue with the release bios. We notified EVGA and they promptly took care of the issues as was stated in the review...
... the only issue left over was with it not working with one specific set of memory I owned, some older DDR3. The issues I had were fixed. IIRC, I believe I had issues with every X79 board I reviewed outside of the Asrock X79 Extreme 4-M. Curiously enough, that board had issues with the ram that worked in the EVGA, while the ram that didnt work in the EVGA worked fine in the Asrock. So like I said, it was a memory compatibility issue. It happens to all boards.

Please remember at the time it was a brand new platform and kinks are almost expected (though certainly not wanted!!). Like all other boards, issues are found, and usually resolved which is exactly what happened with this board. By the time the review was up, the bios I had worked just fine. The board worked just fine. So if you take that information and looked at our rating system, you can see the conclusion and rating was perfectly in line with how things work over there. It worked well at stock, and overclocking. It wasnt the best of its type and for the review, performed well enough that I as the author could recommend it with a clear conscious.

So with that said, the staff at OCF work quite hard to bring the readers informative reviews of products within the scope of our website. So I have to admit I take exception to your assertion and have to say unequivocally that we do not mislead anyone (or are "diaper wearing butt-heads" for that matter! tongue.gif). The experience I had with the board, outside of the initial issues that were all corrected, was worthy of an approved stamp. What happens after that, I cannot know (this review is over a year old now). I did hear down the road that USB ports liked to drop and other issues. Thing is I didn't have those issues at the time.

Thank you for reading that review... and I hope everyone here understands how I came to that conclusion and remember that hindsight is 20/20. I also recommend to read a lot of reviews as we are not all perfect. User experience is valuable and you should read them as well.


Even if you did't have the problems at the time (Which I highly disbelieve), you now know they exist, but you still leave the approval on that board. What do you think will happen if a viewer purchases that garbage board based on your review and then realizes the board they purchase is garbage?

Everyone I know that had that board or the classified version, had nothing but epic issues. Issue that have never been fixed by EVGA. The board clearly has a hardware flaw.

Yup! Overclockers.com approves one of the worst LGA 2011 motherboards ever made and continues to approve it, even after knowing many issues continue to go unfixed by EVGA. Serious issues like USB ports failing. I guess stable working USB ports don't matter to PC enthusiast.

Snake oil anyone? Snake oil sales men are not welcome on interwebs...
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sooo.... Only HardOCP from now on?
Outside of their video card, gaming performance, and cpu performance in games, sure. They need to move on from FPS based metrics though.
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Personally I recommend reading all the reviews, looking at the test equipment and the drivers, and coming to your own opinion.
He who trusts a single source for much of anything is foolish indeed.
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I'm a fan of Legit Reviews.

They give me what I want without an attached opinion, and they are very detailed.
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Even if you did't have the problems at the time (Which I highly disbelieve), you now know they exist, but you still leave the approval on that board. What do you think will happen if a viewer purchases that garbage board based on your review and then realizes the board they purchase is garbage?

Everyone I know that had that board or the classified version, had nothing but epic issues. Issue that have never been fixed by EVGA. The board clearly has a hardware flaw.

Yup! Overclockers.com approves one of the worst LGA 2011 motherboards ever made and continues to approve it, even after knowing many issues continue to go unfixed by EVGA. Serious issues like USB ports failing. I guess stable working USB ports don't matter to PC enthusiast.

Snake oil anyone? Snake oil sales men are not welcome on interwebs...

Review awards are given at the time of a pub'd review for the experience at the time of the pub'd review. You don't go back and change reviews as time passes... That would be like going back now and changing all GTX400 series and HD5000 series GPUs reviews to all have FAIL, 0/10, F, etc. ratings since they are now horrible performance for the money years later. As you put it: What do you think will happen if a viewer purchases those garbage GTX400/HD5000 GPUs based on positive reviews and then realizes their purchase is garbage today? It just doesn't make sense... Readers have to realize how old the content they are reading is and that things could have changed over time. You know, post up a thread asking about if the board is recommended since the review is so old, then people that have been using the board for extended amounts of time can chime in to report that since the review, issues x, y, z, etc. have been showing up. Readers also have to realize that reviewers only have 2-3 weeks max to use the product before a review is posted, so things that don't come up in those few weeks won't be included in the review or considered when determining a rating since reviewers can't see into the future.

What can be done when issues start popping up is members updating in the discussion with those experiences, so readers can see possible current issues in the comments.
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Personally I recommend reading all the reviews, looking at the test equipment and the drivers, and coming to your own opinion.
He who trusts a single source for much of anything is foolish indeed.

+1

A single experience/review doesn't prove anything, it's the collective experience of all reviews and users that determine whether a product is good or not.
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I'm just going to keep repeating my point on OCN until it sticks. I can't believe the frame time testing is being largely ignored on a forum dedicated to hardware enthusiasts.
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Personally I recommend reading all the reviews, looking at the test equipment and the drivers, and coming to your own opinion.
He who trusts a single source for much of anything is foolish indeed.


Wouldn't it be more intelligent to goto the evga forums and read just how bad that board really is. Did you test the USB 3.0? Did you test PCI express 3.0? How about the POS marvell controller? I cant understand how you did not test USB 3.0. Yet its in the listing header for newegg.com USB 3.0 overlooked perhaps.
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EVGA X79 Classified 151-SE-E779-K2 LGA 2011 Intel X79 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 XL ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813188123

I have bought evga boards in the past have you? There is always some kinda of a problem with them. I'll never buy another one! Maybe you should read through this thread or visit x79 sub-section.

http://www.evga.com/forums/X79 sub-section

http://www.evga.com/forums/X79 series


Quoted from the EVGA forums X79 section
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It has been 465 days (well over one year) that the persistent motherboard issues have existed. Many items have been fixed such as "USB Beeps at POST" which makes us all marvel at technological evolution. Meanwhile other items go quietly unaddressed by EVGA.

This thread is to serve as an official bug log for the X79 boards. I've added some issues I've known, tested for months, and addressed with EVGA but are not yet resolved for reasons no one at EVGA will directly explain. Feel free to add your own comments, testing, and bugs for consideration on this list that I will maintain until they are resolved.

X79 Bugs:
USB 3.0 functionality is unreliable and results in peripheral failure, system freezes/instability, and potential data corruption.
XMP v1.3 profiles are not fully supported resulting in system instability and failure to POST.
Intel C-States cause system freezes/instability within minutes of booting.
PCIE 3.0 not always recognized by the system as active for all PCIE 3.0 graphics cards.
CPU VCore Offset Volage setting does not function properly.

Edited by DrFPS - 3/21/13 at 3:57pm
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