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First off, these are just some of my thoughts and should be taken as such.

Ivy Bridge E has been pushed back to Q4 of 2013. That might mean nothing at all, but there are a handful of rumors going around regarding the X99 chipset and DDR4 Ram. By pushing it to Q4 2013, that would have been almost two years since Sandy Bridge-E has been out on the market. Half of me wants to believe that they're just going to skip Ivy Bridge-E and go straight to Haswell-E since it'd be a good 3-4 months after has well launches. The other half is pretty sure that because AMD doesn't have half the wits to come up with anything to compete with the "E" series, Intel is just taking their time with it. The guy over at Maximum PC certainly thinks that Intel will be skipping over IVB-E.
http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/will_intel_skip_over_ivy_bridge_e2013

Assuming that it is Ivy Bridge-E that is coming out in Q4, we've got the next rumor of the X99 chipset floating on the net.
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/28808/exclusivett-haswell-coming-at-computex-on-z87-chipset-next-gen-performance-platform-to-be-x99/index.html
Tweaktown talks about the next high end chipset being the X99. The current being the X79, that almost begs the question. Did they just skip the X89? It wouldn't be the first time Intel has skipped a numbering in their nomenclature, though the last time was with the X69 which sounds more like a porno than an intel chipset. Thus, X99 may be a Haswell E chipset or it may in fact be the Ivy Bridge-E counterpart. The article notes that X99 will be coming out in 2013 so unless they plan on releasing IVB-E and HSW-E both in 2013, it might be for IVB-E.

Regarding DDR4, I don't have any articles supporting this but we all know that the "E" enthusiast line comes from the Xeon line. More specifically, the IVB EP and EX lineup (Xeon E5 and Xeon E7) This article says that the Ivy Bridge EX will support up to 15 cores and feature BOTH DDR3 and DDR4.
http://wccftech.com/intel-ivy-bridge-ex-feature-15-cores/
If this is the case, putting two and two together, the defective IVB EP and EXs' will eventually trickle down in the form of Ivy Bridge-E with a handful of cores disabled. Perhaps a 6 core at ~300 dollars, 8 cores at $500 and maybe even a 10 core at $1000. It certainly is time intel made some distinction between their high end processors and their mainstream ones. It doesn't matter if we NEED it, as long as there's a large enough difference between the lines, people will buy it. Since the Ivy Bridge EX processors will feature DDR4, maybe with the X99 chipset, DDR4 may carry over even down to the IVB-E series. New chipset, new processor, but still on the LGA 2011 socket.

Two years (for LGA 2011) is an awful long time for just a mediocre 5-7% bump as seen on the 1155 platform from Sandy to Ivy. I betting on a larger performance upgrade due to solder based TIM and chipset upgrades such as DDR4.
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Hey there!
Thanks for taking the time to lay out some quality ideas founded on some deeper thinking. I appreciate what you shared. You provoked a response that I have been wrestling with. I also saw a conviction that I believe speaks for a great number of people.


Last thing I would want to do is disrupt another person's thread, so I will leave my comment to the very minimum. Your post does raise the awareness that the over-arching transition from the very successful X58 to the current state of affairs, and then looking forward to when the much needed "relief" will arrive; it all leaves me questioning the integrity of the choices that have brought us to the place we are today where we will be in the next 8 months.

Thanks for sharing, and thanks to those who take the time to provide constructive input.
Edited by gbakmars - 5/1/13 at 3:13pm
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Hey there!
Thanks for taking the time to lay out some quality ideas founded on some deeper thinking. I appreciate what you shared. You provoked a response that I have been wrestling with. I also saw a conviction that I believe speaks for a great number of people.

I have been pushing for what I have named: "Area X79” and have likened it to Area 51. Intel has a road map. Years ago, what we are seeing today was a done deal. Intel cannot afford to not bring all of the PC companies and component makers into the discussions at a very early stage; about 3-4 years is the average. If Intel didn't keep companies like Evga or Asus informed, basically you would have a pile of CPU's with no motherboards to put them in.

Intel developed the X79 Chipset and motherboard companies followed up with producing the boards. The biggest feature, by far, was the high expectation of PCIe 3.0, followed by native USB 3.0 and native SATA 3. So the motherboards are all ready and the graphic card companies have taken NVidia's new design with PCIe 3.0 capability and the video cards are ready to go. And the question is: where is the heck did Intel go!

The Intel Road Map, which is like some kind of Holy Grail to Intel, had taken them into "Area 79" and when Intel emerged they offered up the new i7 Sandy Bridge Processors. I want to know how much fighting took place between CEO's of these companies when they discovered that this failure of a CPU had no Rev 3.0- no PCIe 3.0 built into the CPU. How much advertisement did these motherboard companies pour millions into, with an attached promise, that they were unable to deliver the long awaited goods; PCIe 3.0?

Intel literally has made it impossible for anyone that has purchased an X79 motherboard, to have the 3 necessary components to ensure PCIe 3.0. And look at the pathetic number of SATA 3 ports with this CPU and chipset- a miserable TWO- for this generation's high-end power motherboard. Who wants 4 SATA 2 ports when you are talking about the speeds that this new technology is ushering in? And it is beyond comical to think that Intel contributed 13- yes 13!- USB 2.0 ports and only 2 native 3.0 ports!!

In all seriousness this entire generation of motherboards should never have come to fruition. This has been the saddest commentary on the PC industry for some 2 + years now. How long are the owners of P9X79 motherboards supposed to wait until there is a CPU available that will unlock it all? And the saddest part about that is that when that CPU does see the light of day- all of the motherboard companies are going to scramble (already are) to have boards with more USB 3.0, more SATA 3, and 40 or more lanes of native PCIe 3.0. Yes, they throw everyone a bone and say they are sticking with the 2011 socket and everyone bought future proof motherboards, but when the new CPU arrives the "Future" that was talked about, has come and gone and everyone is looking at the "New Future" of the 2011 socket which will be part of the X99 Chipset.

And then we could talk about Intel's disappearance into "Area Z77" and ask the question that has never been asked; but why was Intel for the first time running two parallel chipsets and CPU's?

Why the cheap unlocked processors that never before could be purchased unless you took the dive and bought the top of the "ONLY" line of processors; and became the proud owners of Intel's best, undisputed, Flagship for a mere $1,000. I say undisputed because there never was any doubt which processor was the king of the hill because there was only one hill; one line of CPU's.

Intel went from the X58 which had 40+ lanes of PCIe 2.0 which is what the X79 has had all along, and they also put a fork in their Road Map which is going to come back together down the road, and put out this 1155 socket that was cheap and had no Flagship, and allowed people to get a "Taste" of what it was like to have an unlocked Multiplier. But this second line that replaced the X58, although it finally did offer PCIe 3.0, it only offered 16 lanes total in its CPU!

Have we really come to terms with what was being done to consumers? We were being offered an exciting opportunity to buy two Evga GTX 680’s; two $550 video cards to be run at PCIe 3.0 x 16, in SLI. But what was kept under wraps was the fact that this IVY Bridge CPU's in the Z77 motherboards were crippled. The CPU gave a total of 16 lanes and if a person put two video cards into two slots, that would have required 32 lanes to get the full experience of what was advertised. If you bought in early and spent $289 on an Asus P8Z77 Deluxe, you were running two GPU's in SLI at PCIe 3.0 X 8 x8 ! Third grade math can figure out that if 3.0 is twice as fast as 2.0, the PCIe 2.0 X 16 X16 in SLI is equal to what was being offered by a brand new motherboard and CPU. Why not just keep that X58 with the 40 to 48 lanes and give up the 10% increase and force Intel to give us the real Road Map without the "AREA Z77" foolishness that came out of that area.

Everyone has lost something in the past two years and everyone is probably going to lose again when the "REAL" products finally come out; that "future proof" stuff isn't going to mean squat to anyone when they see a brand new Asus X99 motherboard with 8 native SATA 3 ports and 10 native USB 3.0 ports and 40-48 lanes of PCIe 3.0 native support.

Yes we were all future-proofing; like building bomb shelters in 1960 when the "Russians were coming"!

I represented thousands of customers once before over an issue that was much smaller than this, but it was worth fighting for and it was a win-win for the company and the customer. If we could "rally the troops" so to speak, I would "enjoy" getting answers, apologies, and compensation so that the step into the second future (not the first- as it has come and gone) might not be such a hit on the wallet.

Anyone that bought an X79 motherboard and never saw PCIe 3.0 and struggled along with 2 Sata 3 ports should get a voucher from Intel and the motherboard manufacturer to make it much easier to move into the better board and CPU. Why this all happened and how it all happened are questions that need to be answered with a tangible apology. Intel and its highly prized ROAD MAP didn't just stumble into "AREA X79" and "AREA Z77". They went there for a reason. Maybe it was to take a slap at NVidia. Whatever and why are issues for the company to wrestle with, but not the customer.

I lost a lot of money when I found out my X79 Pro and 3930K didn't give me 3.0 and I sold them on EBay. I lost money when I couldn't put my Areca 3.0 Raid card in a Z77 motherboard because it trashed my video card's X16 down to X8 and I sold that off. I have lost time. I have put projects on hold as I wanted to build a truly future proof machine that I could run for 5 years and from the beginning, at least, it gave me what I was told it would give me.

How many customers out there do you think aren't even aware of what was done to them? How many know but are just too excited about Haswell to allow this mess to ruin their expectations? How many are ticked but felt that they couldn't "slay a giant"? In principle what has happened over the past two years is boarder line false advertisement and it is quite unethical, and it speaks very poorly of what companies continue to call "Customer Care". I prefer "Customer Connection". It takes effort to connect. It only takes words to care.

Chime in if you can relate to any of this. I offer my services to climb the ladder to the top of the wall and drop in on the other side, but I find my passion comes when I am pursuing something bigger than just me getting a new motherboard and being told to be quiet. I see a "Cause" here that is worth assembling every person that got less than they were promised and expected. I would like to help an Asus be a company that takes a stand on behalf of the customer and I would like to serve the customers, like myself, that alone can do very little but together we can change something that was very wrong and still is.

Blessings on every X79 and X77 investor!! GB

Your post, though passionate and long, isn't entirely correct.
X58 has 32 PCIe 2.0 lanes, X79 has 40 PCIe 3.0 lanes, although not natively from the CPU but from the chipset. It does work, but you need a high end setup for it to be worthwhile.
Socket 1155 is not a successor to 1366 but to 1156, which has 16 PCIe 2.0 lanes just like socket 1155 (until IB) as well as some unlocked CPUs. The existence of unlocked CPUs on 1156 is actually more interesting since that platform allows for BCLK overclocking just like X58, whereas 1155 CPUs can't take much deviation from the standard BCLK so an unlocked multiplier is required for any meaningful overclock.
Lastly, IB CPUs aren't "crippled". Socket 1155 is the mainstream socket, nobody was under the impression the new boards with Z77 chipset would suddenly have more than 16 PCIe lanes. That is reserved for the enthusiast platforms (X58 and X79).
I agree that X79 is a bit gimped in SATA ports, but you seem to be mixing up your platforms here and there. And for the record, the post you replied to is old (well, old'ish) and as such is based on old information/rumours, you would've been better off starting a new thread to express your thoughts.
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Your post, though passionate and long, isn't entirely correct.
X58 has 32 PCIe 2.0 lanes, X79 has 40 PCIe 3.0 lanes, although not natively from the CPU but from the chipset. It does work, but you need a high end setup for it to be worthwhile.
Socket 1155 is not a successor to 1366 but to 1156, which has 16 PCIe 2.0 lanes just like socket 1155 (until IB) as well as some unlocked CPUs. The existence of unlocked CPUs on 1156 is actually more interesting since that platform allows for BCLK overclocking just like X58, whereas 1155 CPUs can't take much deviation from the standard BCLK so an unlocked multiplier is required for any meaningful overclock.
Lastly, IB CPUs aren't "crippled". Socket 1155 is the mainstream socket, nobody was under the impression the new boards with Z77 chipset would suddenly have more than 16 PCIe lanes. That is reserved for the enthusiast platforms (X58 and X79).
I agree that X79 is a bit gimped in SATA ports, but you seem to be mixing up your platforms here and there. And for the record, the post you replied to is old (well, old'ish) and as such is based on old information/rumours, you would've been better off starting a new thread to express your thoughts.
the data he quated was oldish to us but look at his post date that was up to date in marchish this was necroed thats all. ddr4 i highly doubt will come in 2013 also they said they will use socket 2011 so if the chipset changes it will most likely be x89 as the skip happened while swicthing sockets they arent doing that this time

eidt thoguth you were talking to op i see you were talking to mr necro my aplogies and yes i agree this is out dated dude
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