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Hi guys!

I think that it's about time I upgraded my PC, but I can't decide what processor should I upgrade it to. I will write what my current PC specs are and what I use my PC for (mainly) and I hope that you can give me some advice.

Current PC:

intel core2 quad 2.4GHz
RAM 4GB
GPU- Nvidia GTX 560Ti
MSI motherboard- MS-7529
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What do I mainly use my PC for? :

gaming- Starcraft 2 heart of the swarm
programs- Adobe After Effects; Autodesk maya
Sometimes I do some streaming, but with my current CPU it wasn't so good.

So I wonder what processor should I use- the intel core i7 or the AMD FX 8350? Some frineds say that it is better to get the AMD, since it is cheaper , it has more cores and it would be better for rendering and multytasking. Others say that I should get the core i7 ,since it has a faster per-core performance and it will be better for gaming, it would do the same job for rendering as the AMD FX 8350 and most PCs can't use all 8 cores of a processor. I'm thinking of keeping the GPU and upgrading 4 more RAM to the 4 I now have (total of 8) and I will have to change the motherboard for sure.

I am waiting for some advice , I really want to know if the intel is worth the extra cash?

Thank you all in advance ! smile.gif
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Go for FX 8350, you can go with cheaper FX 8320 and buy a air cooler like Hyper 212 Evo and clock it to FX 8350 level and FX 8350 beats i5 3570k 8/10 situations while against i7 3770k is only beating in couple of things and why I am recommending FX 8350/8320? Streaming...

AMD's processors are great for streaming because most games use 2-4 and rarely 6 core's so like Xsplit it uses all other available core's that those games don't use and also you can do some extreme multitasking compared to i7 3770k. If you only game get i5 3570k or FX 6300...

Intel has great processors so does the AMD, even thought AMD is not good as Intel if I told you why and how it affected everything you will see the true face of Intel or would not believe me.

AMD made a flop with Bulldozer while they fixed all and made some considerable improvements with Piledriver(Bulldozer 2.0) and by end of this year Steamroller(Bulldozer 3.0) will arrive with some serious improvements and potentially rival Intel's Haswell. Haswell is out in June this year and Steamroller will be out by Q4 of 2013 or Q1 of 2014.

AMD's current processors don't have a great single-thread performance compared to Intel, so in older games you will see considerable difference, but in the future you will see that FX 8350 can have nearly the same performance than i7 3770k and then beats it. Since it has 4 modules with each module having 2 core's you have great and superior multitasking performance that beats hyperthreading. Hyper-Threading is nothing special, if you got an i3 and its a Dual Core and with HT the windows see it as a Quad Core but those two extra cores are virtual/fake and it only has 12% per core performance extra but its only good for programs and some games that may use it but otherwise its useless.

The architecture of Bulldozer is towards multi-tasking and by each new iteration/generation there will be drastic improvements. More and more programs and games are multi-threaded and single-threading is useful important for older programs and games or newer that are badly programmed.

AMD's Piledriver(Bulldozer 2.0)-"Vishera" FX 8350 is 32nm processor that competes with Ivy Bridge i7 3770k that is a 22nm processor, so gap is 10nm and AMD's processor can catch up in performance. Ofcourse since AMD's current processors are 32nm they have considerably larger power consumption compared to Intel's 22nm processor, anyway Haswell will be also 22nm processor with some slight improvements but nothing special.

Steamroller(Bulldozer 3.0) is a successor to Piledriver(Bulldozer 2.0) and its expected to have 20 to 30% better performance because its going to be produced in 28nm so its 4nm smaller than Piledriver and 6nm bigger than Ivy/Haswell. So gap betwen AMD and Intel will be 6 and not 10nm.

AMD is a much smaller company with 50 times less money than Intel and what they can do is incredible, they also produce APU's(their own technology) that are a beast for the price and Kaveri will be out by the end of 2013 that will have Steamroller core's and a full Radeon HD 7xxx series inside and even support onboard GDDR5 memory so upgrading will be cheaper in the long run.

Intel changes CPU sockets every 1.5 or rarely 2.5 years while AMD socket lasts for 4-5 years...

AM3+ socket will be used for next 2 to 3 years...
post #3 of 85
how big are your projects in after effects?
If you mostly edit 1080p and 4K resolution, get the 3770k with 32GB RAM.

If you are still learning after effects, the FX8350 with 8GB RAM is more than enough.
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Well you can say that I'm still learning it, although I have begun doing some advanced features such as green screen filming and then editing in AE and adding some CGI elements that I created in Maya. I really like to use 3rd party plug-ins and I noticed that my current processor isn't really good at handling all the work I am now doing.

As for gaming- when I play multyplayer sc2 I play it on low resolution, so I won't be distracted by all the effects. I tried streaming it but my fps drops to25-30 tops, even lower. So if I want to stream I want to do it on a good resolution for the viewers( sayyy... 480p-720p,which is normal I think, (if I could manage to stream on 1080p that would be great) and also lag free(it isn't cool when your FPS drastically drops in a big battle biggrin.gif ).
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Thank you for your replay ,Vampirr ! smile.gif

So if I understood you correctly, you are saying that the AMD would more or less to the same job as the intel (with minimum performance differences) and for a cheaper price?

Also I'd like to ask you something which I really doubt it is true, but I want to be certain biggrin.gif. A friend told me that I should get the intel,because of my GPU. He said that the nvidia GPUs are optimized to work with intel and if I get the AMD I should change the GPU. IS any of this true ?
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The 8350 competes with the i5 3570k not the i7... The i7 is way way better than the 8350 smile.gif
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Originally Posted by vampirr View Post

Go for FX 8350, you can go with cheaper FX 8320 and buy a air cooler like Hyper 212 Evo and clock it to FX 8350 level and FX 8350 beats i5 3570k 8/10 situations while against i7 3770k is only beating in couple of things and why I am recommending FX 8350/8320? Streaming...

AMD's processors are great for streaming because most games use 2-4 and rarely 6 core's so like Xsplit it uses all other available core's that those games don't use and also you can do some extreme multitasking compared to i7 3770k. If you only game get i5 3570k or FX 6300...

Intel has great processors so does the AMD, even thought AMD is not good as Intel if I told you why and how it affected everything you will see the true face of Intel or would not believe me.

AMD made a flop with Bulldozer while they fixed all and made some considerable improvements with Piledriver(Bulldozer 2.0) and by end of this year Steamroller(Bulldozer 3.0) will arrive with some serious improvements and potentially rival Intel's Haswell. Haswell is out in June this year and Steamroller will be out by Q4 of 2013 or Q1 of 2014.

AMD's current processors don't have a great single-thread performance compared to Intel, so in older games you will see considerable difference, but in the future you will see that FX 8350 can have nearly the same performance than i7 3770k and then beats it. Since it has 4 modules with each module having 2 core's you have great and superior multitasking performance that beats hyperthreading. Hyper-Threading is nothing special, if you got an i3 and its a Dual Core and with HT the windows see it as a Quad Core but those two extra cores are virtual/fake and it only has 12% per core performance extra but its only good for programs and some games that may use it but otherwise its useless.

The architecture of Bulldozer is towards multi-tasking and by each new iteration/generation there will be drastic improvements. More and more programs and games are multi-threaded and single-threading is useful important for older programs and games or newer that are badly programmed.

AMD's Piledriver(Bulldozer 2.0)-"Vishera" FX 8350 is 32nm processor that competes with Ivy Bridge i7 3770k that is a 22nm processor, so gap is 10nm and AMD's processor can catch up in performance. Ofcourse since AMD's current processors are 32nm they have considerably larger power consumption compared to Intel's 22nm processor, anyway Haswell will be also 22nm processor with some slight improvements but nothing special.

Steamroller(Bulldozer 3.0) is a successor to Piledriver(Bulldozer 2.0) and its expected to have 20 to 30% better performance because its going to be produced in 28nm so its 4nm smaller than Piledriver and 6nm bigger than Ivy/Haswell. So gap betwen AMD and Intel will be 6 and not 10nm.

AMD is a much smaller company with 50 times less money than Intel and what they can do is incredible, they also produce APU's(their own technology) that are a beast for the price and Kaveri will be out by the end of 2013 that will have Steamroller core's and a full Radeon HD 7xxx series inside and even support onboard GDDR5 memory so upgrading will be cheaper in the long run.

Intel changes CPU sockets every 1.5 or rarely 2.5 years while AMD socket lasts for 4-5 years...

AM3+ socket will be used for next 2 to 3 years...

The "nanometers" have nothing to do with increasing performance unless there's some inherent flaw with their architecture that could likely be fixed with a stepping increase. Expecting 30% better performance from an architecture that was already tweaked that saw just 5-10% better IPC is optimistic at best. The better performance that PD had over BD was mostly due to the lower power which allowed higher clock speeds(IPS).

Hyperthreading was never meant to be a replacement for logical cores as the actual implementation cost FAR less in transistors than the unified architecture that AMD uses. That's the sole reason why Intel cores are a lot smaller than AMDs, even on the same manufacturing process. You AMD love to claim how SMT isn't a match for CMT, but neglect to mention that SMT's implementation cost far less, both in terms of transistors and power consumption.
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Intel told that, on 0.13u P4 core, die size increased only by about 5%. Considering that modern microprocessors pack more “uncore logic” (eg: L3 cache, multiple memory controllers, etc.) on a single die, we can expect that hyperthreading costs about 2-3% in silicon area today.

Considering that this technology can improve aggregate performance by about 10-20% (with a ~30-40% observed maximum), it is a very good compromise between speed and space. Moreover, when only a single thread is executed, it has access to all core resources.

Source

The 3770k beats the 8350 in almost every multi-thread benchmark, even at stock settings. The 3570k is a match for the 8350 and both trade blows when over clocked in most cases.

In After Effects, the 3770k does particularly well against 8350 being 15-20% faster in rendering applications. I wish you would get your facts straight before you post as it reeks of bias.

The erratic Crysis 3 benchmarks have made you guys over-confident/delusional.
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Thank you for your replay ,Vampirr ! smile.gif

So if I understood you correctly, you are saying that the AMD would more or less to the same job as the intel (with minimum performance differences) and for a cheaper price?

Also I'd like to ask you something which I really doubt it is true, but I want to be certain biggrin.gif. A friend told me that I should get the intel,because of my GPU. He said that the nvidia GPUs are optimized to work with intel and if I get the AMD I should change the GPU. IS any of this true ?
if you dont wanna spend the extra cash, fx 8350 is a good one to go far, gaming isnt too different vs intel's and you get good multithreaded performance for the price. if you dont want to spend much, id go fx-8350. Of course the 3770k is better in single core and multithreaded performance but that's around $320, you get what you pay for.
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Thank you for your replay ,Vampirr ! smile.gif

So if I understood you correctly, you are saying that the AMD would more or less to the same job as the intel (with minimum performance differences) and for a cheaper price?

Also I'd like to ask you something which I really doubt it is true, but I want to be certain biggrin.gif. A friend told me that I should get the intel,because of my GPU. He said that the nvidia GPUs are optimized to work with intel and if I get the AMD I should change the GPU. IS any of this true ?

no your friend is wrong.

BUT so is vampirr. The mere fact that you play star craft is a HUGE reason to get intel. AMD plain out sucks at star craft. Starcraft and skyrim are two games that HEAVILY favor intel. And talking about overclocking a 8350? a 3.5ghz I7 3770k beats a 4ghz 8350. Overclock both to 4.5ghz, the Intel is going to have a 28% increase while the 8350 only has a 12% increase. Not to mention, Intel still beats AMD core to core, so that benefits your gaming choice the most

starcraft performance



this is an older benchmark, but again, you see Intel dominating the playing field


and other Single core performance which you cannot dodge



Then looking at the GeekBench

4.5 ghz i7 3770k Results (Score: 19,308)
http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench2/1651511

4.5ghz 8350 FX Results (Score: 14,939)
http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench2/1734160

The I7 beats the 8350 at every single test
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I personally have a FX-8320 (a 8350 with lower stock speeds) and multi-tasking is really great. If money isn't an issue, go for intel, the top models are just better than anything amd has to offer. If I was you though, I'd go for a 8350 and a SDD
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