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It's paid for alright. It's called taxes. And lots of them. You pay for your own education many times over.

I'd rather just pay for my school once. And not have all the ingnorantly high taxes and a lackluster medical system.

The price of schooling across the board is insanely high. University's even more so.

Lack luster medical system? The USA has about the worst medical system of any "First World Nation".

I can easily say that being an American with dual citizenship with Canada, as my entire fathers side of the family is from there.

Simply put, what people in the USA believe as "lack luster" in these other countries is far from the truth, especially compared to what we have here in the states. There is a reason a lot of people from the other first world nations won't travel to the USA, at least not without travelers health insurance.......
    
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LOL what? College is free in the UK? I...what...how...when...I will be working for another ten years to pay off my loans.

...I don't know what to say. I've never heard that before. Right now I do not even expect my children to attend college. At least not a traditional college. Perhaps some online college (which are getting pretty good these days so in the future they might be standard). However, my guess is that a regular State University is going to cost about $50,000 a semester by the time my kids are collage age.

OK, I had to look this up...I think I am going to be sick

Education in the UK is not free. It used to be till Blair came along and being the socialist that he was socialised education for the banks, forcing students to take out massive loans. This has caused student loans to the highest in Europe, maybe second only to the US. Tuition now costs upwards of 8000 Pounds a year and increasing yearly.

As for the US student loans actually surpass the mortgage drama. It's something that's unknown but ever more students are dropping out in both the UK and US simply because they can't afford their loans.

Soon we will be back in a (pre-)Dickensian world in which only the wealthy can afford education and thus intellectually control society. Once again I am forced to praise Orwell for his brilliance at predicting our current world.
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Lack luster medical system? The USA has about the worst medical system of any "First World Nation".

I think you are confusing "medical system" with "insurance system".

The fact of the matter is, the US has the best medical CARE in the world. The insurance system on the other hand, isn't.
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I think you are confusing "medical system" with "insurance system".

The fact of the matter is, the US has the best medical CARE in the world. The insurance system on the other hand, isn't.

Again, load of bollocks. Some of the best specialists are based in the US, for sure. Majority aren't.

They are spread out across India, Japan, numerous European countries, and many others.
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I think you are confusing "medical system" with "insurance system".

The fact of the matter is, the US has the best medical CARE in the world. The insurance system on the other hand, isn't.

Medical Care? Not so much. There's a reason the government is (or was) trying to push things like the EHR. If the quality of healthcare did actually match the amount, then we won't be paying as much as you think.
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I think you are confusing "medical system" with "insurance system".

The fact of the matter is, the US has the best medical CARE in the world. The insurance system on the other hand, isn't.

I strongly disagree.

My cousin had Leukemia, and the only effective treatments he ended up being treated with were all non-FDA approved European treatments (meaning health "insurance" didn't cover costs @ $200,000).
  • The FDA drags their feet approving effective treatments for use.
  • The health insurance companies try to use any method they can to deny coverage.
  • Pharmaceutical companies are so worried about liabilities they withhold many trials and treatments.
  • Hospitals will quickly bounce non-paying or "insufficient insurance" patients around to different hospitals.

Our system is atrocious, at best! Good thing we have a second amendment, because if you get sick in America, you might as well just blow your brains out and save yourself the frustration of suffering a slow, agonizing death while corporate and government bureaucrats drag their feet.
 
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worst is using a textbook written by the professor that's teaching it. Almost no second hand available and impossible to sell as well.
1st semester of school bought books from university book store being naive. starting second semester avoided the university book store and everything was amazon, international versions, and pdfs. Heck buying new book on amazon was usually cheaper than used from school.
Also for very specialized textbooks in each programs in upper years sometimes even have one author for each chapter.
One thing that my program did for us is give us online access to licensed version of the book which was continuously updated. Only problem was that exam material did not always correspond to the book due to these updates tongue.gif

and healthcare in US only shafts the middle/ lower class. Rich people pay for their own insurance and poor are covered by medicare/aid
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Again, load of bollocks. Some of the best specialists are based in the US, for sure. Majority aren't.

They are spread out across India, Japan, numerous European countries, and many others.

Well considering that is 7 billion and the US has only 305 million (ie 30 times), I have no doubt that there are many more of "the best" in the rest of the world as opposed to just the US because I seriously doubt there are 30 times as many "the best" in the world as there are in the US.

For cutting edge medical procedures, you generally hear more stories of people coming to the US than going to other countries from the US. The only exception are "medical vacations" to poorer nations, but that is more about the cost for "trivial" procedures rather than about quality of health care.

Again, I am just talking quality of medical procedures, NOT cost or insurance.

But that doesn't change my statement (ie opinion), that health care is better in the US than pretty much the rest of the world. So we will just agree to disagree.
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worst is using a textbook written by the professor that's teaching it. Almost no second hand available and impossible to sell as well.

That's really situational. My current stats prof. wrote his own book and I could get it used on Chegg for next to nothing.
    
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What some Profs do at my Uni is make the online component mandatory for marks. A licence for the e-book + tests is $70. The book with licence is $120. So if you bought a used textbook you wouldn't have the online licence.
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You also give roughly 70% of your annual paycheck to the government, (at least my good friend and his wife are within that ball park).

Finland?
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The total income taxes including the mandatory insurance fees were 29.8% for an average yearly income of 37,400 € in 2010.

Looks pretty normal.

P.S. Most Universities in Europe are either free or heavily subsidized. For example many undergraduate programs are free while others are around €1,000/year, and you can get a masters degree for €3,000-€4,000. Of course you need to be a citizen, though.
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