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post #11 of 65
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Originally Posted by AddictedGamer93 View Post

Meh, kinda hard to label it a failure just because AMD has a better iGPU. It boils down to overclocking potential for me.

This.

Aside from basic office machines (which even the current 3rd generation i5/i7 motherboards have and work good enough), anyone who will be looking to get a Haswell and cares even the slightest about gaming or even "slightly more advanced" graphics work, will have a dedicated GPU. Thus, it all comes down to chip speed, power consumption (which the Haswell is good), and for the enthusiasts, overclockability.
post #12 of 65
Agreed Igpu mean very little to someone that games at or above 1080p igpu only good movies etc. Ill most likely be skipping this gen of cpu's also. Like jayjr stated they will havto shrink the cpu die to improve thr gpu which most likely means haswell wont oc as much most are expecting or will oc just as well as ivy.
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post #13 of 65
How does iGPU performance mean it will be a complete failure? Most users are going to worry about actual processing power and not integrated graphics.
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The problem with Ivy wasnt ONLY that they used a TIM instead of soldering, it was the quality and method of appliance of the TIM.

Otherwise delidding wouldnt help much unless you actually SOLDER the damn heatspreader on again. People just apply TIM PROPERLY and then re-lid it right back.



Doesnt matter if Haswell is soldered or TIM'ed, as long as the TIM material is high quality and the method is perfected. People are discussing if the latest batch of 3570k's are using a new method, since theyre hitting 4,5ghz under 1,2v vcore. And you can be certain that Intel will be better this time around. And theyre able to use a lot better techniques than the "half a rice-grain" technique with pinpoint precision robotics smile.gif.
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post #15 of 65
Actually the iGPU performance doesn't look half bad. If there were an i3 with the high end iGPU, it would make a nice neat little HTPC.
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post #16 of 65
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I wouldn't think it would be a failure. It's still going to be the fastest CPU in the world when it comes out, unless AMD pulls off a miracle with Steamroller. I expect them to close the gap a little more, but they won't catch up.

As far as the Intel IGP goes, Haswell looks like they've moved up from putrid performance to merely bad. Thing is, for most consumer-class desktops and even laptops, that's going to be good enough. I think the only reason they bother improving it is so they can keep Apple from switching to AMD's APU's, like they nearly did last time around. If Intel was serious about performance graphics, they'd buy Nvidia and get on with it.
People need to stop saying Intel should just buy nVidia. It won't happen. Why? Microsoft exclusivity. If at any point someone attempts to buy nVidia for more than (I believe) 3.4 billion dollars, Microsoft has the right to match and purchase nVidia. This has been in place for quite a while, and I can't even see the Wintel bond pushing Microsoft to let that chance go. More than likely it would be a Microsoft buyout, then a cross-licensing deal with Intel.
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post #17 of 65
I t wont be a failure by any means. However most are discussing if the improvements to igpu means possibly less oc overhead. However I think they will oc just as well as ivy. I turn off igpu anyways waste if you game....we all know that gimmick with igpu is a joke.
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post #18 of 65
I think that even tho we're on the intel-side of the forum, people need to recognize that a A10-5800K is still on the top of the HTPC-ladder.

Its even overclockable, people can play new titles with those CPUs and hell they cost 30% of what a 4770K will come out at. Anyone who wants the pure IPC-power of a 4770K will at the most use the IGP for booting the computer before installing the graphics card. People generally wont look for a CPU that only really shows its best side on IPC-charts, seeing as games to come out nowadays that have 4+ core support, and AMD then has cheaper alternatives.

I really do hope that Steamroller wrecks the CPU market, because Im sick of Intel being able to charge us whatever they want for giving us a 5-10% gain every 2 years. I bought my I5-2500K on a sale for like 5% more than it costs now.



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meh, numbers right now are just numbers, my 1090t is still rocking games so i'll stick with that untill SR is released, and check out those numbers, if it's a good(fps/price/perfom wise) i'll get that otherwise i'll make a switch to intel, at that point, haswell should be a little cheaper than release, i hope.
    
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Wat are you guys expecting of Haswell?

5.0ghz @ 0.99v tongue.gif
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