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Originally Posted by dr/owned View Post

Reading helps too:

For haswell that includes the huge gains from some instruction sets that will not be properly utilized, for normal workloads, the difference is smaller. IB also had a clockspeed bump over SB and afaik a bit more aggressive turbo which skewed the results a bit unless both chips were deliberately locked at a certain speed, which rarely happened in reviews.
 
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post #32 of 65
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Explain?

Doesn't provide much economic incentive to fork over ~$580 for a Z87 mobo + i7-4770K unless you just want the latest and greatest . If you have a P67/Z68/Z77 motherboard a i7-3770k costs about $250-300.

Couple this with the supposed problems with first gen motherboards on the Z87 chipset (USB3 among other things) and you have a limited market due to bad publicity.

For HTPCs that aren't using GPUs, unless you're doing something CPu-heavy, the graphics of A10-5800k trumps Haswell for much less cost.

It's only viable for people that haven't invested in anything for the past 2-3 years (AM3+/LGA1155).

From Ivy (http://www.overclock.net/t/1242313/more-ivy-bridge-benchmarks-sandybridge-comparison-3770k-vs-2600k-performance-temps-etc-couple-of-ln2-scores-are-up):
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So in short 50% of chips will do:

- ~4.4Ghz on Air with HT on, this is about 4.7Ghz on a Sandy Bridge
- ~4.7Ghz on a decent custom watercooling loop = 5Ghz Sandy Bridge
- ~5.0Ghz on a good custom watercooling loop = 5.3Ghz Sandy Bridge.

So 5-10% improvement over this...
Edited by AlphaC - 3/20/13 at 1:27pm
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post #33 of 65
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why are u judging a AMD Radeon HD 7660D to a integrated intel graphics card?

if somehow intel joins with nvidia and throws in a gtx650M the power/heat would be huge and not to mention the price tag.

i think intel has came a long way. the HD4000 wasnt mind blowing but im just hoping the HD5000 will be.
trying to get a ultrabook with that CPU.


Because the 7660D is AMD's version of the Intel HD 4000. Both are on die (integrated) Gpu's.
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post #34 of 65
It is highly unlikely to be a failure. It will be slightly faster than Ivy Bridge, so far it seems like the roughly the difference between Sandy and Ivy. We don't yet know its overclock potential, power use, or how hot it will run.
The integrated gpu is a large improvement over their existing models. AMD's superiority here frankly means little when they are so uncompetitive on the CPU side.
I think Haswell will be as much of a success as Ivy Bridge has been.
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Judging Haswell based on the iGPU? Since when does Intel want supremacy in built-in GPU's?
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post #36 of 65
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I think that even tho we're on the intel-side of the forum, people need to recognize that a A10-5800K is still on the top of the HTPC-ladder.

// Intel Fanboy

True, the A10 line does have its uses for budget-minded people who want a combination of a tolerable CPU and good iGPU performance, and will never ever get a discrete video card for whatever reason.

Outside of that niche however, it's basically the computing equivalent of an Easy Bake Oven.
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All I want is 5Ghz on air and I'm sold.
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I see it a good chip to build my wife a 1st desktop. Ever since i bought my IPS monitor shes been lurking more and more around my pc.... I often tell her that the day she want to leave the ultra/notebook world she just have to let me know. I just have to wait to see how good is the iGPU.
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I see it a good chip to build my wife a 1st desktop. Ever since i bought my IPS monitor shes been lurking more and more around my pc.... I often tell her that the day she want to leave the ultra/notebook world she just have to let me know. I just have to wait to see how good is the iGPU.

The iGPU will be good for basic tasks such browsing, watching youtube vids, facebook and stuff like that but definitely not for gaming.
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Declaring Haswell a failure based on a toms hardware review. I have now seen it all
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