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This is a really dumb move by Cisco. Didn't HP buyout 3Com to compete with Cisco better? They could be an option.
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time to make my own router.
 
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post #13 of 52
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time to make my own router.

I agree. Made one with a RPi.
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Untangle is a software solution. Cisco is not just IOS but hardware as well.

Also, any decent sized company that thinks Untangle is an adequate replacement to true Enterprise networking equipment...

Umm...

And how many data centers have you worked in that you think that's even close to an acceptable solution?

How do they handle Blade switches? Do they have proprietary options for Dell and HP like Cisco do? Can their OS and hardware support port channeling, VLANs, and all the other higher end things Cisco does? Can they handle SANs, and able to boot their OS configurations from external data sources? What is their support like? Do their routing protocols and methods sync up with other routers from different people?

A good number of people on OCN really need to learn the difference between "Enthusiast" and "Enterprise". The majority of people here can't even dream what a true enterprise setting is like, or why VMware would be chosen over the free VirtualBox, or why expensive Dell servers are used instead of higher-spec build-your-own 2Us. There is a difference. A huge one. Cisco is one of those things, and as TurboTurtle said, it'll be fixed quickly.
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And how many data centers have you worked in that you think that's even close to an acceptable solution?

How do they handle Blade switches? Do they have proprietary options for Dell and HP like Cisco do? Can their OS and hardware support port channeling, VLANs, and all the other higher end things Cisco does? Can they handle SANs, and able to boot their OS configurations from external data sources? What is their support like? Do their routing protocols and methods sync up with other routers from different people?

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These days there are better solutions such as untangle. Cisco is a dying company.

Truer words were never spoken. On the physical security side of it they are being left in the dust, and have been for about 4-5 years. What concerns me is the industry has allowed a private organization to set the standard for certifications in the field. Those are soon to be worth less than the american dollar.
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Cisco is the Intel/nVidia of networking, and that's putting it really politely...
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I just thought of why they would even think of doing this;
Government decryption of traffic. Why else would a company that has been the best at network security for years decide to lower their encryption protocols?

I may sound like a conspiracy nut but it make sense when you think about who has the horsepower to decrypt traffic in real-time. Even the most powerful rigs on this site can only break those encryption protocols after you copy all the traffic, in days to weeks. A few days or weeks of decrypting may not be a big deal to a agency that is already investigating a small number of people but when you are trying to obtain information on millions of people at once and you have to get that information in real-time to find key items, having a weaker encryption will help that process by magnitudes. Plus Cisco is a global standard, making the CIA have an easier time dealing with foreign entities and their networks.
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I just thought of why they would even think of doing this;
Government decryption of traffic. Why else would a company that has been the best at network security for years decide to lower their encryption protocols?

I may sound like a conspiracy nut but it make sense when you think about who has the horsepower to decrypt traffic in real-time. Even the most powerful rigs on this site can only break those encryption protocols after you copy all the traffic, in days to weeks. A few days or weeks of decrypting may not be a big deal to a agency that is already investigating a small number of people but when you are trying to obtain information on millions of people at once and you have to get that information in real-time to find key items, having a weaker encryption will help that process by magnitudes. Plus Cisco is a global standard, making the CIA have an easier time dealing with foreign entities and their networks.

Except you're not gonna get user data with Cisco passwords, you are gonna get router/switch configurations, routing information/updates, etc...
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Why would a company like Cisco cheapen out on ENCRYPTION HASHES!?

It's like if AMD or nVIDIA switched to cardboard PCBs on their graphics cards, or suddenly started making wooden heatsinks!! It makes no sense!!
   
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