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post #21 of 27
3/22/13 at 9:25pm
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Originally Posted by billbartuska View Post

From the website for that app.
REMEMBER!! The smart phone microphones were aligned to human voice (300-3400Hz, 40-60dB). Therefore the maximum values are LIMITED by the manufacturers.

Your phone can't hear low bass.

Maybe, I got a cheap sound meter figured it would be useful for when going to the theaters, anyway it gave me peak highest as 85db while the app gave me 72db. so i guess it was 10db off. This is not the level i play my music but for testing its the level that shows distortion/bottoming out/rattling or whatever else its called since i cant tell the difference. no popping or crackling, but vibrating distortion

the reviewer said that average 80db is when it bottoms out so i guess i just confirmed his tests?


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Originally Posted by hertz9753 View Post

http://www.stereophile.com/content/usher-audio-technology-s-520-loudspeaker-specifications

You have an active high pass crossover in your receiver If large lets you adjust the crossover use it. Start at 60Hz and work your way up.

this is what is so confusing about the yamaha reciver, it gives me the option to change crossover even though its large. but the manual for it says this

"Crossover
Sets the lower limit of the low-frequency
components that can be output from a speaker
whose size is set to “Small”. A frequency
sound lower than the specified value will be
produced from the subwoofer or front speakers"

what the, it doesnt specifiy whether it works for large or not. the AVR is a 100watt x 5 channels

http://au.yamaha.com/en/products/audio-visual/av-receivers-amps/rx-v373_black_a/

not sure what this translates to for 2.0
Edited by dioxholster - 3/22/13 at 9:40pm
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3/22/13 at 10:03pm
that makes sense i suppose, but i aint getting a sub and i feel bad changing settings my yamaha did for me through its YOAPA or whatever i keep forgetting. If i set it to small i wont set it to 80hz, it would be 60hz, the speakers are 300$ i think its cheap in audio world and i didnt get it to play half sounds.

1. I have a yamaha receiver, YPAO is JUNK in comparison to Audyssey and other far superior room correction systems. Even then the best microphone measurement systems that do automatic calibrations only get you 50% of the way there.

2. you bought bookshelf speakers, they are not meant to go full range, just because a speaker is rated to 55hz does not necessarily mean that you should be running them that way...I know you think they should for what you paid for them but I am sorry, they dont, it's physics.

3. Why come on here and ask how to fix it and yet you refuse to listen to anyone? Why dont you even try what we have suggested and see if it fixes your problem and if you decide we are wrong, reuse YPAO again?

I have heard bookshelf speakers that cost much more than yours do and they were still crossed at 80hz, some even higher...

Edit:

If you dont want to take my word for it that is fine but here are some audio specific forums you might want to visit:

avsforum.com
diyaudio.com
hometheatershack.com

Linkwitzlab.com has alot of great information about audio, so does musicanddesign.com(but they are a little more specific to open baffle designs)

You may also want to look into some books by Floyd Toole if you want to learn more about audio.

I dont want you to take my post as flaming, I just want to help you, and dont want to see you waste $300 because you dont want to try possible fixes.

I am not going to post in this thread anymore.
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3/22/13 at 10:42pm
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Maybe, I got a cheap sound meter figured it would be useful for when going to the theaters, anyway it gave me peak highest as 85db while the app gave me 72db. so i guess it was 10db off. This is not the level i play my music but for testing its the level that shows distortion/bottoming out/rattling or whatever else its called since i cant tell the difference. no popping or crackling, but vibrating distortion

the reviewer said that average 80db is when it bottoms out so i guess i just confirmed his tests?
this is what is so confusing about the yamaha reciver, it gives me the option to change crossover even though its large. but the manual for it says this

"Crossover
Sets the lower limit of the low-frequency
components that can be output from a speaker
whose size is set to “Small”. A frequency
sound lower than the specified value will be
produced from the subwoofer or front speakers"

what the, it doesnt specifiy whether it works for large or not. the AVR is a 100watt x 5 channels

http://au.yamaha.com/en/products/audio-visual/av-receivers-amps/rx-v373_black_a/

not sure what this translates to for 2.0

Large or small settings on your receiver don't matter. You need to find a crossover point that you are happy with. wink.gif
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3/22/13 at 11:45pm
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that makes sense i suppose, but i aint getting a sub and i feel bad changing settings my yamaha did for me through its YOAPA or whatever i keep forgetting. If i set it to small i wont set it to 80hz, it would be 60hz, the speakers are 300$ i think its cheap in audio world and i didnt get it to play half sounds.

1. I have a yamaha receiver, YPAO is JUNK in comparison to Audyssey and other far superior room correction systems. Even then the best microphone measurement systems that do automatic calibrations only get you 50% of the way there.

2. you bought bookshelf speakers, they are not meant to go full range, just because a speaker is rated to 55hz does not necessarily mean that you should be running them that way...I know you think they should for what you paid for them but I am sorry, they dont, it's physics.

3. Why come on here and ask how to fix it and yet you refuse to listen to anyone? Why dont you even try what we have suggested and see if it fixes your problem and if you decide we are wrong, reuse YPAO again?

I have heard bookshelf speakers that cost much more than yours do and they were still crossed at 80hz, some even higher...

Edit:

If you dont want to take my word for it that is fine but here are some audio specific forums you might want to visit:

avsforum.com
diyaudio.com
hometheatershack.com

Linkwitzlab.com has alot of great information about audio, so does musicanddesign.com(but they are a little more specific to open baffle designs)

You may also want to look into some books by Floyd Toole if you want to learn more about audio.

I dont want you to take my post as flaming, I just want to help you, and dont want to see you waste $300 because you dont want to try possible fixes.

I am not going to post in this thread anymore.


possible fix to what? the distortion occurs when its at a volume i never use or dont have to use. Im just perceiving your advise as being over-protective of speakers, the people who built it mustve had wanted to be used full range thats what the review indicated. from what i understand speakers have built in crossovers that filter the bass it cant do, so it seems the reciver's filter is just an added wall of protection. I have to gather advice and see what the consensus is first since google shows conflicted opinions on this. its not like i came to a decision yet.

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Large or small settings on your receiver don't matter. You need to find a crossover point that you are happy with. wink.gif


the crossover is already at 60hz, but is it active fuction or not? i dont know. yamaha manual doesnt specify exactly. but i get wehat you mean, that its just a word, the real function is the crossover and large just disables it. i could set it small and have crossover at 40hz which would be same exact as Large. my ears wont tell me the difference im not an audio guy.

edit: well stupid me, apparently i cant change it from large to small. tried but cant. when i first got it i played with these settings and totally forgot that its fixed to large. so i guess the crossover settings are working anyway? i have it at 60hz now. if its working then that doesnt explain the distortion at high SPL.
Edited by dioxholster - 3/23/13 at 12:44am
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3/24/13 at 9:09am
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dont you mean small? okay i got no subwoofer at the moment, turning it into small will limit it in a way. the speakers themselves the reviews show a bottoming out issue with high SPL and no bass management. what are SPL i dont know. The AVR has a auto-setup thing that set it to large and 60hz crossover (which im not sure is active or not since its at LARGE)

Yes. Set it to small. I think I meant to type "don't set it to large".
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post #26 of 27
3/24/13 at 8:45pm
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i was under the impression i could set it to small when i first started this thread, the reality is its fixed to LARGE, yamaha doesnt give me option to change it. could this be due to the fact that it needs at least one channel to be LARGE always? i know audessey works differently that you could set all to small and i read that THX recommends 80hz for speakers. The problem is that while many have yamaha recievers very few use it for 2.0 set up, so not much info on how it behaves.
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3/25/13 at 7:12pm
Try setting the subwoofer option to "ON" (even though there isn't one connected), and then see if you can set it to small.
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