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Originally Posted by un-midas touch View Post

Well, what other source of measurement do you recommend? Kim Jong-un's foot?

None, but that's not the point.

He used the word ''impossible'' very lightly. It's only impossible according to current theories and theories are all cool n'stuff right until the point when they are proven to be false...
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post #52 of 64
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and people still saying that they believe in other live form more intelligent than human. No. we are Unique and very smart. I'm pround to be a human not a Big head short legs and green ET LOL.

Irony is surrounding the phrase "we are unique and very smart" with spelling and grammatical errors.
    
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None, but that's not the point.

He used the word ''impossible'' very lightly. It's only impossible according to current theories and theories are all cool n'stuff right until the point when they are proven to be false...

Well, that's it then. I'm quitting learning.
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post #54 of 64
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The video states only 5 systems(Lets assume that wiki is up to date) are operational and according to this 17/01/2012 article they turned off the heater
I stand corrected... I forgot they turned that one off last year...
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very old tech ;p

not very surprising to me, devices used to operate in space without rechangable power is designed to run very slowly very very slowly and efficiently.

much liek the mars rover etc, those things move like slower than a snail.

when you design something to run off nothing, than even solar panels far beyond pluto will still continue to collect energy, just you cannot sustain energy usage. it would be used to fill a reserve to be used at a later time when the energy is actually available.

Again, these deep space probes do not use solar. They are solely powered by Plutonium. Its really, REALLY energy dense, so a small amount lasts a very long time.

Even the mars rover runs on this stuff (although since it is much closer to the sun, I believe they do have solar as well). They move slowly because of the size requirements to throw a larger electric motor would be too much. Things are more about mass when it comes to space.

As for the space probe, its currently moving at 10m per SECOND. That's hardly slow... but a wonderful thing called entropy keeps it from needing more power to propel itself forward. However, you are right about the small amount of data being sent and collected. This has more to do with bandwidth constraints over such great distances. They are running on a pipe much smaller than dialup. Only so much data can be sent.
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I believe this recent xkcd comic sums up the thread nicely.

http://xkcd.com/1189/
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As for the space probe, its currently moving at 10m per SECOND.

Typo? It's going roughly 17000 m/s.
    
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I stand corrected... I forgot they turned that one off last year...
Again, these deep space probes do not use solar. They are solely powered by Plutonium. Its really, REALLY energy dense, so a small amount lasts a very long time.

Even the mars rover runs on this stuff (although since it is much closer to the sun, I believe they do have solar as well). They move slowly because of the size requirements to throw a larger electric motor would be too much. Things are more about mass when it comes to space.

As for the space probe, its currently moving at 10m per SECOND. That's hardly slow... but a wonderful thing called entropy keeps it from needing more power to propel itself forward. However, you are right about the small amount of data being sent and collected. This has more to do with bandwidth constraints over such great distances. They are running on a pipe much smaller than dialup. Only so much data can be sent.

In relation to the probe itself rate of travel is not what was meant by slow, rather how it processes and handles information, even how it moves and orientates itself, all data transmissions etc. Everything done at a snails pace.

I wasn't able to find any good data on Solar Panels Efficiency vs Distance from the sun. But I still feel as though in deep space a quality solar panel should be able to build up enough energy to handle extremely basic functions or certain functions over a very long period of time.

I wonder if we really did our homework, if a device could be made to run forever simply off the Cosmic Microwave Background. Its good to think.
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You assume that all the current laws of physics and understanding of the universe is even remotely accurate biggrin.gif

 

This. There's always the possibility that one day something big will happen that changes the entire way we look at things, no matter how small the chance that happening may be.

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This. There's always the possibility that one day something big will happen that changes the entire way we look at things, no matter how small the chance that happening may be.

I agree, I don't think anything that us Human think of can be considered 100% accurate.
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This thing has operated in the cold dark depths of space without maintenance for how long 1977 to now is what 30 years? Why the hell can't we make crap that lasts long today?

Well to be fair it is operating in near total vacuum and the few moving parts don't have to operate against gravity or in contact with other physical objects like pot holes in the road and such...and there weren't many budget constraints while building it. There is also its self contained power supply that doesn't rely on a power grid that can have surges and brown outs. Capacitors are not getting powered up and drained completely.

I think it is fairly easy to make something work for a long time...it is just hard to make something usable on Earth for a long time. Though I agree...even in my short life thus far I've seen the quality of produced goods go down hill...like for example we've gone through three dishwashers in five years and my parents are still using the one they bought in 1985 and it works better than our new one. I've been trying to get them to sell it to me.
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