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Hey guys,
I'm building my first PC and I'm very confused on which processor to get.
I intend to use the PC for gaming, but I'd like to run most new games in low/medium.

The build I'm thinking of is here: Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-6100 3.3GHz 6-Core Processor (£86.87 @ Ebuyer)
Motherboard: MSI 970A-G46 ATX AM3+ Motherboard (£47.94 @ Aria PC)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£45.99 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£50.00 @ Ebuyer)
Video Card: MSI Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition 1GB Video Card (£84.54 @ Aria PC)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V Power Supply (£34.15 @ Aria PC)
Total: £349.49
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-03-20 20:13 GMT+0000)

I was hoping someone could be me some good factual information on whether to get the AMD 6100 or 6300.
Is the 6300 worth that extra £15?

Many thanks.
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The FX-6300 is based on the updated Piledriver architecture, and is indeed worth the extra 15 quid over the earlier Bulldozer/"Faildozer" FX-6100.
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Yes. The fx-6300 is absolutely better than the fx-6100.

In a similar vein see if you can get an XFX Core 450w instead of the PSU you have selected. It's usually just a few pounds more and is higher quality.

Also note that you should be overclocking if you want to make good use of the fx-6300. And that mobo is not very good for overclocking (hence cheapness) So your CPU-related components (CPU/mobo/cooling) should look like one of these two options:

AMD fx-6300 overclockable setup (total: 191 pounds)
fx-6300 (100 pounds)
Asus m5a97 mobo (65 pounds)
Coolermaster Hyper 212 evo (26 pounds)

http://www.aria.co.uk/SuperSpecials/Other+products/AMD+(Piledriver)+FX-6300+3.50GHz+(4.10GHz+Turbo)+Socket+AM3%2B+6-Core+Processor+-+Retail+?productId=52724&source=skinflint
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B008RPYB0U/?tag=pcp0f-21
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cooler-Master-Hyper-212-120mm/dp/B0068OI7T8/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1363812571&sr=1-1

Intel i5-3470 locked setup (187 pounds)
i5-3470 (146 pounds)
MSI B75ma-p45 (41 pounds)
Intel stock cooler (included w/CPU)

http://www.aria.co.uk/SuperSpecials/Other+products/Intel+Core+i5-3330+3.00GHz+(Ivy+Bridge)+Socket+LGA1155+Processor+-+Retail+?productId=53677&source=skinflint
http://www.aria.co.uk/SuperSpecials/Other+products/MSI+B75MA-P45+Intel+B75+Socket+1155+DDR3+PCI-Express+Motherboard+?productId=50392&source=skinflint

To be honest, assuming you put a decent overclock on the fx-6300, you're not going to see much difference between the two setups, performance wise, outside of specialized applications. You can pretty much choose the fx-6300 setup if you like to overclock or the i5-3470 setup if overclocking seems like a hassle to you.

I realize both of these are a bit above your initial price point. The problem is that this is a very significant price point in that you get severe dropoffs once you go below 180 pounds or so. On the AMD side you have to accept not overclocking (cheap mobo, no aftermarket cooler) which is a huge performance hit, or going for CPUs with really crappy IPC (instructions per clock) like the fx-6100, which is a significant performance hit. On the Intel side you have to start looking at the dual-cores, which is a significant performance hit in many applications.

Now, this may be not workable for you (both options increase the price of the system you're looking at by a little over fifty pounds. But an un-overclocked fx-6100 is just always a bad option. Be a little more specific about exactly what applications (specific game titles, work programs, etc.) you want to run best if you want to save money by choosing where to start curring performance.
    
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Thank you both for the replies, I really do appreciate the feedback as I am new to PC building and thus lack knowledge.

The sort of games I wish to play are Skyrim, Planet Side 2, GTA4 and DayZ.
But I'd like to just be able to run most new games on say low or medium without any lag.

I've just realised that RAM looks large and may cause space problems, could you recommend me something of a similar spec but physically smaller?
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The RAM you have selected in your original OP is fine. It doesn't have spiky heatspreaders.

As for the games you want to play Skyrim & GTA4 would be good candidates for an Intel dual-core, but DayZ (Arma 2 engine) & Planetside 2 can both use strong quad-cores. Which is problematic, as you basically have to choose between smooth CPU-related performance & quality graphics settings (less money for GPU means having to turn down graphics).

So unfortunately I don't have any magic budget solutions for you.
    
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The RAM you have selected in your original OP is fine. It doesn't have spiky heatspreaders.

As for the games you want to play Skyrim & GTA4 would be good candidates for an Intel dual-core, but DayZ (Arma 2 engine) & Planetside 2 can both use strong quad-cores. Which is problematic, as you basically have to choose between smooth CPU-related performance & quality graphics settings (less money for GPU means having to turn down graphics).

So unfortunately I don't have any magic budget solutions for you.
Many apologies, I think maybe pcpartpicker changed that RAM because I could swear it had a spikey heatsink (or I'm going crazy).
I don't mind turning the graphics down as long as the game plays without lag.

Could I ask your opinion on this case? (purely space and ventilation not looks)
http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Cases/Midi+Tower/ARIAnet+StealthX+Type-R+Black+Midi+Tower+Gaming+Case+?productId=47777

Also, would this GFX card be compatable with my PSU:
http://www.dabs.com/products/sapphire-technology-amd-radeon-7770-hd-1gb-pci-express-3-0-hdmi-8H2Y.html?src=3

It comes with 2 free games which I'll sell to save some money.

Thanks again!
Edited by buyer101 - 3/22/13 at 5:51am
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Many apologies, I think maybe pcpartpicker changed that RAM because I could swear it had a spikey heatsink (or I'm going crazy).
I don't mind turning the graphics down as long as the game plays without lag.

Could I ask your opinion on this case? (purely space and ventilation not looks)
http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Cases/Midi+Tower/ARIAnet+StealthX+Type-R+Black+Midi+Tower+Gaming+Case+?productId=47777

Also, would this GTX card be compatable with my PSU:
http://www.dabs.com/products/sapphire-technology-amd-radeon-7770-hd-1gb-pci-express-3-0-hdmi-8H2Y.html?src=3

It comes with 2 free games which I'll sell to save some money.

Thanks again!

Case: Looks glowy. Probably not super comfortable to build in & kind of loud with all the fans. It's got to have good ventilation with all those fans. But 'wind tunnel' isn't fun to have sitting on your desk or by your feet (noise). Still, it's cheap, will do what is necessary, and if you like the looks & the glowing red, there's nothing significantly wrong with it.

RAM: there's two types of vengeance, with spikes & without. Never trust PCpartpicker - always confirm at the actual retailer's website.

GTX card: yes, any should be. Even if you got one that required two PCI-e connectors instead of one, you can just use a molex->pci-e adapter. That said, I still recommend looking at an XFX Core 450w for about the same price. The Corsair CX 430w is fine to build with, safe for your computer, and delivers its rated power well. But they also have a relatively high frequency of developing coil whine (an irritating but otherwise harmless noise), which is basically the only reason I never recommend them. But hey, you could get lucky & not have to deal with the coil whine.

P.S. On case - they're just boxes with fans. I have a Bit Fenix Merc Alpha, and it works just fine. There's really no need for something fancy.
http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Cases/Midi+Tower/BitFenix+Merc+Alpha+Black+Midi+Tower+Gaming+Case+?productId=54099

If you decide to overclock an fx-6300, then with the case you linked you might prefer the extra fans. If you got the locked i5, the thing is going to run cool pretty much no matter what box you put it in.
    
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FX6300 is way faster than FX6100.

But if gaming is your concern, get an FX4100 instead and use the money saved to get a better card like HD7850
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if u can get a fx 4300 for gaming instead fx 6100 and put the money into a good gpu
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Fx 6300 is faster and better then the fx 6100 but let me just tell u my personal achivments with my 6100... I ve had it for about 6 months and have been playing all my games at max settings! Thsts including arma 2! I really wish people would stop being so disrespectful and unless uve had a 6100 please dont call it a fail beacuse to me uts anything but that! Its ran my crossfired 6570s, crossfired 6870s and currently my radeon 6970! Its overclocked to 4.2 ghz on auto tune stays nice and cool during gaming and has never givin me any problems! How is that a fail please explain??? But if I were u id get the new fx6300 its worth the xtra money, but then again if u buy a 6100 u will be just fine trust me! Dont listen to some of these guys, mr fred is right but that other guy I wouldnt give him a dat over 8 years old! Theres absolutky nothing wrong with a fx 6100! if u need further proof id be more then happy to run some benchmarks for u so u can see yourself! Good luck with the build
     
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