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So, I've been big on trying Steam for linux, but certain things don't work with my favorite distros (Mint - Cinnamon, Fedora, Opensuse). So now I have to resort to Ubuntu. Now I understand Ubuntu has huge traction, but Unity is an offensive mess and I don't understand the support for it. Installation is annoying. With any other distro I can just prepare X unallocated space and get a default setup (home, root, swap, boot). Ubuntu gives you the option of "Oh, you want me to wipe everything on this drive and make a default setup (which still has not been described to you, nor do you factor into it's formatting)" or "DIY". I would say for first time users this is daunting, for long time linux users, this is annoying. Just give me a default install into the unallocated space. I will fix the partition sizing later! Unity is an eyesore, panel functionality is useless. There are 3 panel buttons that lead you to the same store, an Amazon panel. Libreoffice on the panel is questionable as well as EVERY DRIVE ON YOUR SYSTEM located there. The entire thing is a mess. What really got me going was this. After installing ubuntu, all I wanted to do was take a look at my partitions and see how everything sized up and what exactly Ubuntu did during the install. Simple: Pull up Dash (first button on panel) and type in gparted (applications). Neat, it gave me 6 links to purchasable stuff through amazon. I understand that alot of distros don't have gparted off the bat, but what the heck?

Edit: BTW, I can setup my own partitions just fine. It's a needless step though, and there should be a default setup. I don't imagine everyone else knows how to partition their drives. What about an LVM setup? Ubuntu used to automate all this stuff, now it insists it needs to wipe everything for an undefined setup or you can DIY. Odd. You know what I don't need on my quick access panel? Stores. You know what is not convenient when searching for applications...getting directed to stores. How about the system just tells me the application is unavailable and directs me to the software repositories...you know...like EVERY linux system known to man. Ubuntu used to be so great, but I would rate it below Windows at this point. It's just shilling you all day and it's functionality is questionable. It's also disgusting to look at.
Edited by czerro - 3/20/13 at 3:35pm
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I find the best way to improve Ubuntu is to run the following command rolleyes.gif
Code:
sudo rm -rf /
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Hey look it's another circle jerk thread in the making about something that doesn't work for some people....rolleyes.gif

Come on guys we're Linux users and we should be better than this. I don't like Unity but I like buntu (Gasp I like Slackware, Arch, SLAX, Bodhi too). So what did I do? I grabbed the mini iso...and installed exactly what I wanted. If you're such an advanced Linux user it should have been simple to you. You're complaining about it not doing things your way? Seriously? Don't want unity? Grab another Spin (if you're so familiar with Fedora I assume that should mean something to you).

I think people need to chill out and step back and realize...what YOU think is "good/easy" is not what EVERYONE else will think "good/easy". Just step back and think instead of over react. I could rant about all the the "horrible" things about Gentoo or even Arch...at the same time I could probably praise them as well. They are for different audiences and expecting cookie-cutter one size fit all things is what you have with Windows (which you seem to loath too) so why would you desire that out of Linux distros?

I hope I'm not being viewed as attacking you or defending Ubuntu just want people to stop being so one sided.

PS: Since when did it not give an Install into unallocated space? Gave me that option with Kubuntu (though I always set things up myself).
     
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I find the best way to improve Ubuntu is to run the following command rolleyes.gif
Code:
sudo rm -rf /

no no, what if this user doesn't have sudo permissions? the only sure-fire way to %100 fix all Ubuntu installs is
Code:
su -c 'rm -rf /'

although if it's kubuntu you might want to try using a magnet instead!

not really attecking *buntu here, but the recent news annoucments from them make it really hard for me to go with rookie and tell people to use buntu. I would take a look at Linux Mint Debian Edition
Edited by jrl1357 - 3/20/13 at 7:41pm
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no no, what if this user doesn't have sudo permissions? the only sure-fire way to %100 fix all Ubuntu installs is
Code:
su -c 'rm -rf /'

although if it's kubuntu you might want to try using a magnet instead!

not really attecking *buntu here, but the recent news annoucments from them make it really hard for me to go with rookie and tell people to use buntu. I would take a look at Linux Mint Debian Edition
LOL
My bad That will work perfect on Ubuntu
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Hey look it's another circle jerk thread in the making about something that doesn't work for some people....rolleyes.gif

Come on guys we're Linux users and we should be better than this. I don't like Unity but I like buntu (Gasp I like Slackware, Arch, SLAX, Bodhi too). So what did I do? I grabbed the mini iso...and installed exactly what I wanted. If you're such an advanced Linux user it should have been simple to you. You're complaining about it not doing things your way? Seriously? Don't want unity? Grab another Spin (if you're so familiar with Fedora I assume that should mean something to you).

I think people need to chill out and step back and realize...what YOU think is "good/easy" is not what EVERYONE else will think "good/easy". Just step back and think instead of over react. I could rant about all the the "horrible" things about Gentoo or even Arch...at the same time I could probably praise them as well. They are for different audiences and expecting cookie-cutter one size fit all things is what you have with Windows (which you seem to loath too) so why would you desire that out of Linux distros?

I hope I'm not being viewed as attacking you or defending Ubuntu just want people to stop being so one sided.

PS: Since when did it not give an Install into unallocated space? Gave me that option with Kubuntu (though I always set things up myself).

Just having some fun Rookie, biggrin.gif I have multiple installs of different distros, even Ubuntu with kde as the desktop not Kubuntu
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Ubuntu is disgusting lately. I'm sorry. It's not hard to set the partitions yourself, but it's time consuming and pointless, whereas every other distro has a default install into unallocated space and you can resize later. I'm not embarrassed to admit that I have no idea how to setup LVM. Ubuntu used to have the capability to install into unallocated space. Now it doesn't. It doesn't even tell you what exactly the setup is going to be. Obviously, I can work my way around this, but this is a huge step back. Why? Unity is a nightmare. How does it sit well with you that when you go to search applications, you get results from amazon? That's beyond stupid, and shilling.

Essentially, I was annoyed, created the partitions in the unallocated space. I was refused to do some things with swap (16gb ram) and thought I would do it later. Then I try and pull up gparted with the 'convenient' application search panel and got directed to some books on amazon. Gross. Fedora and Opensuse are doing the exact same things with Gnome 3, but they are actually useful. Every element of Ubuntu and Unity is designed to direct the user to a store, whether it's relevant or not. Not a functional interface, nor a friendly install. I would say it's never a good idea to direct a user to a store, nor have a million buttons on a quick panel that take one to a store.

I knew I would get flamed, but this was my experience and observations. I cut my teeth on red hat back in the day, HS, college. Went ubuntu on my netbook back when it was awesome. Juggled a bunch of distros since then. I can say without a doubt, that today's Ubuntu is garbage compared to what it used to be. Nobody would use this distro if it didn't have debian roots, and thus the largest repository.

Your OS should never direct you to a store. I'm sorry. You are really reaching if you are going to defend that I typed 'gparted' into application search and I was returned 6 results from amazon. It didn't even link me to Synaptic, or an apt hyperlink for gparted. Sloppy and blatant. I'm looking for gparted and my linux OS wants to sell me books from amazon. Insane.
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Ubuntu is disgusting lately. I'm sorry. It's not hard to set the partitions yourself, but it's time consuming and pointless, whereas every other distro has a default install into unallocated space and you can resize later. I'm not embarrassed to admit that I have no idea how to setup LVM. Ubuntu used to have the capability to install into unallocated space. Now it doesn't. It doesn't even tell you what exactly the setup is going to be. Obviously, I can work my way around this, but this is a huge step back. Why? Unity is a nightmare. How does it sit well with you that when you go to search applications, you get results from amazon? That's beyond stupid, and shilling.

Essentially, I was annoyed, created the partitions in the unallocated space. I was refused to do some things with swap (16gb ram) and thought I would do it later. Then I try and pull up gparted with the 'convenient' application search panel and got directed to some books on amazon. Gross. Fedora and Opensuse are doing the exact same things with Gnome 3, but they are actually useful. Every element of Ubuntu and Unity is designed to direct the user to a store, whether it's relevant or not. Not a functional interface, nor a friendly install. I would say it's never a good idea to direct a user to a store, nor have a million buttons on a quick panel that take one to a store.

I knew I would get flamed, but this was my experience and observations. I cut my teeth on red hat back in the day, HS, college. Went ubuntu on my netbook back when it was awesome. Juggled a bunch of distros since then. I can say without a doubt, that today's Ubuntu is garbage compared to what it used to be. Nobody would use this distro if it didn't have debian roots, and thus the largest repository.

Your OS should never direct you to a store. I'm sorry. You are really reaching if you are going to defend that I typed 'gparted' into application search and I was returned 6 results from amazon. It didn't even link me to Synaptic, or an apt hyperlink for gparted. Sloppy and blatant. I'm looking for gparted and my linux OS wants to sell me books from amazon. Insane.

Ubuntu has always been garbage in my opinion. I've never liked it. Not even back in the early days.
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Ubuntu is disgusting lately. I'm sorry. It's not hard to set the partitions yourself, but it's time consuming and pointless, whereas every other distro has a default install into unallocated space and you can resize later. I'm not embarrassed to admit that I have no idea how to setup LVM. Ubuntu used to have the capability to install into unallocated space. Now it doesn't. It doesn't even tell you what exactly the setup is going to be. Obviously, I can work my way around this, but this is a huge step back. Why? Unity is a nightmare. How does it sit well with you that when you go to search applications, you get results from amazon? That's beyond stupid, and shilling.

Essentially, I was annoyed, created the partitions in the unallocated space. I was refused to do some things with swap (16gb ram) and thought I would do it later. Then I try and pull up gparted with the 'convenient' application search panel and got directed to some books on amazon. Gross. Fedora and Opensuse are doing the exact same things with Gnome 3, but they are actually useful. Every element of Ubuntu and Unity is designed to direct the user to a store, whether it's relevant or not. Not a functional interface, nor a friendly install. I would say it's never a good idea to direct a user to a store, nor have a million buttons on a quick panel that take one to a store.

I knew I would get flamed, but this was my experience and observations. I cut my teeth on red hat back in the day, HS, college. Went ubuntu on my netbook back when it was awesome. Juggled a bunch of distros since then. I can say without a doubt, that today's Ubuntu is garbage compared to what it used to be. Nobody would use this distro if it didn't have debian roots, and thus the largest repository.

Your OS should never direct you to a store. I'm sorry. You are really reaching if you are going to defend that I typed 'gparted' into application search and I was returned 6 results from amazon. It didn't even link me to Synaptic, or an apt hyperlink for gparted. Sloppy and blatant. I'm looking for gparted and my linux OS wants to sell me books from amazon. Insane.

I'm not reaching. And I'm not defending. You're arrogance is amazing though and it is something common in the community that will forever make Linux the hobby and backbone/behind the scenes OS. The average consumer has already voted that they want to be directed things like that. I just got an Adroid device and that's just about all it does. I'm not fine with that but the apathetic consumer has been for some time. Do you see me ranting about how Android is terrible? NO. I knew what I was getting into and I found a way around it just like you are more than capable of. I'm sorry to revert to this but people need to think and react later. It's been well known for sometime that Ubuntu with Unity has been all about the Amazon thing. I'm pretty sure that is how they're funding themselves there now. Is it wrong? That's subjective. I'll concede that it indeed foolish that they spent all that time integrating Amazon links and little of the actual OS but...you didn't have to choose the damn Ubuntu install...you could have gone with any of the other spins and mini iso. But it does sound like you just take the default setup...

As for the whole install thing...well I guess I'm glad I've never stuck to the main Ubuntu and only use Kubuntu, Lubuntu, and Bodhi. They all have been just fine with the unallocated space installs. They also all told me what was going to happen. Maybe you could post an image though as I am curious how different the Ubuntu one is?
     
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The average consumer, searching for gparted, in the application panel, wants to be returned 6 unrelated, peripherally linux related, books from amazon?
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^ thats really a unity problem, so well you can fault Ubuntu for that it doesn't really extend to Lubuntu, Xubuntu, etc.

I'm mainly disgusted at the internal choices made my the Ubuntu team. For the first time with Ubuntu for Phones I was looking forward to what they had to say, and in the end it's a GNU/Android hybrid that isn't compatible with either. Then theres Mir, which could fragment and whole Linux desktop cause Ubuntu had a NIH spaz. Thats why I hate Ubuntu, because not only do they make poor choices they make poor choices which could (needlessly and without any real improvement or advantage) fragment the rest of the GNU/Linux userland.
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