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Okay, ive been reading probably dozens of 670 vs 7950 threads all over the forum, and google but i am getting very mixed results and i really want to know whats the best SUITED for me.

I play Battlefield 3, 1080P, on a 40" LCD TV

I want to know if a

EVGA GTX 670 2GB (unlocked voltage/modified BIOS -- like the thread here on OCN with unlocked voltage at 1.2v?) with a full waterblock (so VRM's are cold),

vs.

MSI TF3 7950 3GB (flashed BIOS with the maximum unlocked voltage as well -- i do not know anything about AMD cards but from what i read you can get an unlocked voltage and OC well above the 670?) with a full waterblock as well (cold VRM's)

I know that the 7950 with the CURRENT drivers may display "more" FPS than a 670, but im reading around about frame latency... which has to do with the SMOOTHNESS of gameplay? meaning, you can get more FPS with an 7950, but it may not be as SMOOTH, as a 670? Is this true?

My question is specifically for Battlefield 3, not Crysis 3, not Borderlands 2, not anything else. Just BF3. (the only game i play and concerned about). I also hear the current drivers (is it 13.2? --correct me if im wrong) for AMD fixes the latency issues ? but i hear it is not an official, rather leaked release? So its not the "official?"

I mean, im going to be spending 300-400 on a card in the future and i just honestly want a card that i will no longer have problems with. I have a 560Ti and im really sad that the VRAM just isnt enough; even if i broke my "dream" of 1000 core clock.... the gameplay just isnt as sufficient as i want it to be

Ive been doing some research and i hear that both cards will deliver at least 60 fps when overclocked (to the max they can go possible), under water cooling (not LN cooling).

But what is this talk about frame latency? How does the 7950 perform with this "frame latency" problem in Battlefield 3? I have a 560Ti right now, is the "frame latency problem" talked about in the Radeon cards supposed to be "worse" than the 560Ti? (cause right now they seem fine, i dont seem to notice anything weird?)
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i can speak for the 7950. let me be clear . . . i think the 670 is a great card but i don't own one.

it took me two reloads to finally destroy the tank below while parachuting because of bad latencies . . . just kidding . . .









with my Phenom Quad at 4GHz. 1080 Ultra and 4 MSAA.thumb.gif oh, gpu stock.

edit: i'm sorry that was my 7970.doh.gif
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i can speak for the 7950. let me be clear . . . i think the 670 is a great card but i don't own one.

it took me two reloads to finally destroy the tank below while parachuting because of bad leatencies . . . just kidding . . .

with my Phenom Quad at 4GHz. 1080 Ultra and 4 MSAA.thumb.gif oh, gpu stock.

With the current drivers, is your game smooth? I guess im really sensitive when it comes to stuttering and stuff.... (unfortunately)...i dont mind paying 100 bucks more for the 670; to get 10-20 fps less; if the game is smoother on the 670 than the 7950 (just to put that out there). Unless that is not a problem with the 7950's right now?
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I, too, am wondering about this issue. Only recently was it brought up but I think the real question here is are the slides speaking about AMD having bad latencies justifiable? I'm thinking that the claims have to be correct because of AMD releasing new drivers claiming to help with the issue, but how bad is it exactly?
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With the current drivers, is your game smooth? I guess im really sensitive when it comes to stuttering and stuff.... (unfortunately)...i dont mind paying 100 bucks more for the 670; to get 10-20 fps less; if the game is smoother on the 670 than the 7950 (just to put that out there). Unless that is not a problem with the 7950's right now?

i can honestly say that all the games i am playing are smooth, namely bf3, c2, c3, and ps2. i just recently crossfired my 7950 to my 7970 and bf3, c3, and ps2 are very smooth. have not tried c2.

edit: btw, i am not using the latest driver. still with 13.2 beta 6.
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The 7950 gameplay in BF3 is smooth as butter as far as I can tell. Even with two it seems incredibly smooth other than the occasional latency lag I get(crappy connection). Way better than my old 6970 cf.

One of my TF3's could run 1200/1575 no problem and the other 1150/1575 on air. with the high temp in gaming 68c. The vrm's never go above 70c.

I cant speak for the 670(never used one), but the 7950 is a beast oc'd.
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i can honestly say that all the games i am playing are smooth, namely bf3, c2, c3, and ps2. i just recently crossfired my 7950 to my 7970 and bf3, c3, and ps2 are very smooth. have not tried c2.

edit: btw, i am not using the latest driver. still with 13.2 beta 6.

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Originally Posted by john1016 View Post

The 7950 gameplay in BF3 is smooth as butter as far as I can tell. Even with two it seems incredibly smooth other than the occasional latency lag I get(crappy connection). Way better than my old 6970 cf.

One of my TF3's could run 1200/1575 no problem and the other 1150/1575 on air. with the high temp in gaming 68c. The vrm's never go above 70c.

I cant speak for the 670(never used one), but the 7950 is a beast oc'd.

Thats all i needed to hear, thanks!!! biggrin.gif

If its as "smooth as butter", then i may get a 7950 and OC it to the max i can get it.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Aesthethc View Post


Thats all i needed to hear, thanks!!! biggrin.gif

If its as "smooth as butter", then i may get a 7950 and OC it to the max i can get it.

you won't regret it. i posted some benchmarks in this thread . . .

http://www.overclock.net/t/1371142/i-get-it-now
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I had latency issues with my AMD Radeon R7770 in BF3.... but i fixed it with Radeon PRO.

I have not owned any other GCN GPU, so i could not say about them.
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For the particular case of BF3, AMD with their latest drivers seems to be even better than Nvidia latency-wise. Nothing to worry about there.
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