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That's some good advice. For some reason, I actually DON'T want Intel dominating the mobile market too.

Intel has the money and the people, just not the experience. I'd say give it a few years, and they'll have ,much better chips. Maybe not market dominance, but definitely stuff in the top-tier mobile market. Either way, I'm saying 2015-early 2016 will be the time Intel really picks it up.
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With ARM surpassing ATOM and chip complexity increasing it's only a matter of time before ARM architecture will be able to compete easily with Intel. AMD's APU's are superiour to Intel's and when HSA has been adopted AMD will beat Intel to dust once again.

The only way Intel managed to keep AMD at bay was with corrupt and monopolistic practices.

This. I think it's funny to see all the people who think that the ever diminishing returns of just increasing CPU performance rather than changing the game up is going to keep Intel in the game. They've got some ARM designs, but I'd definitely have some R&D dedicated to trying to make and improve ARM cores for the off chance that x86 does end up dead. (I don't believe it will anymore, but it's only safe to do it that way)
    
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This. I think it's funny to see all the people who think that the ever diminishing returns of just increasing CPU performance rather than changing the game up is going to keep Intel in the game. They've got some ARM designs, but I'd definitely have some R&D dedicated to trying to make and improve ARM cores for the off chance that x86 does end up dead. (I don't believe it will anymore, but it's only safe to do it that way)

Intel is increasing R& D effort into Atom & Atom SOC at this moment: Silvermont/Baytrail is scheduled for this Q4 and its a Quad core full out of order 22nm Atom(new architecture) with Ivy IGPU unit, with a 2014 dieshrink/architecture tweak (Airmont) on 14nm.

I am sure Intel have considered more R&D with ARM, but their budget imo is better concentrated on acclerating Atom die-shrink & architecture update(Anandtech had heard from sources saying Intel intend to get Atom on a Tick-Tock schedule or maybe even update architecture every year).,
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Intel may not be in mobile market as strong as others, but i have a feeling that they will be there someday and i would love to see x86 on a phone ! (I know they have devices all ready but they suck)
    
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Intel may not be in mobile market as strong as others, but i have a feeling that they will be there someday and i would love to see x86 on a phone ! (I know they have devices all ready but they suck)

CloverTrail phone should be a winner, considering the CloverTrail tablets are amazingly capable. They're easily at mobile C2D level if not higher.

http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/24/safaricom-yolo-africa-intel-smartphone/

1st gen Atom definitely did not do any favors for the name. Luckily I never had to experience that.
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I have the hardest time believing that x86 is dead when it's made such a leap in performance per watt in just a years time.
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Intel is increasing R& D effort into Atom & Atom SOC at this moment: Silvermont/Baytrail is scheduled for this Q4 and its a Quad core full out of order 22nm Atom(new architecture) with Ivy IGPU unit, with a 2014 dieshrink/architecture tweak (Airmont) on 14nm.

I am sure Intel have considered more R&D with ARM, but their budget imo is better concentrated on acclerating Atom die-shrink & architecture update(Anandtech had heard from sources saying Intel intend to get Atom on a Tick-Tock schedule or maybe even update architecture every year).,

The other problem is that for Android at least, a number of apps only use Dalvik for some elements and C++/whatever programming language for most of it, meaning you need x86 compatible versions, quite a few apps don't have that. It's only smart to have a team or two working out some optimizations that ARM chips currently don't have as it's entirely possible x86 in mobile/tablets won't really take off still.
    
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With ARM surpassing ATOM and chip complexity increasing it's only a matter of time before ARM architecture will be able to compete easily with Intel. AMD's APU's are superiour to Intel's and when HSA has been adopted AMD will beat Intel to dust once again.

The only way Intel managed to keep AMD at bay was with corrupt and monopolistic practices.

AMD has been behind since Nehalem / Core i... as much as I want another AMD64 type scenario , HSA has to really take off for that to happen
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The problem with x86 is chip complexity and power draw. The reason why ARM are so much more efficient is because chips are simpler and lack a lot of the instructions built into x86/64 chips. That doesn't mean it won't get that complex, but it will be a different architecture as Ubuntu make a move into the mobile section. Intel do have much to fear especially with the advent of 'apps' and ATOM being a horrible CPU.

The other problem Intel have never been able to overcome is their inability to make a decent GPU. They can make amazing CPU's but Larrabee was a total failure and their iGPU's are inadequate the least to say, let's not even talk about their drivers.
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I have the hardest time believing that x86 is dead when it's made such a leap in performance per watt in just a years time.

It will evolve. x87 Has already been abandoned and I suspect a lot of code that is unused will also be dropped.
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